Does the Qur'ân Say that Mary Was Worshipped As Part of The Trinity?

[a_ntv]

This is another issue I've had with praying to Mary or the Saints. By doing so, we give a group a reason to mock and deny God and Jesus. I realize it's not worship, but I just wonder if the RCC should tone down veneration a bit, as otherwise it could act as a stumbling block .

Well, Mary is a big issue only on CF

The Catholic Church does NOT have any prayer during the Mass to/about Mary.

And anyway Mary remember us the Incancation.
When you think to the Redemption, you can think by first to the Cross (as usually the Lutherans), while we think firstly to the Incanation. And Mary is the sign of the Incanation.

 

[Lotar]

The Catholic Church does NOT have any prayer during the Mass to/about Mary.

Really?

Did you guys take that out with Vatican II? That is pretty unfortunate...

 

[BigNorsk]

While there is a lot of fill and apologetics mixed in in the original post, the evidence is fairly strong that Mohammed understood the Christian trinity to be the Father, the Son and the Mother, Mary. Whether his was a mistaken understanding, or if he got it from one of the various groups of Marian heretics. I'm not so sure. Remember Arabia was the home of the Collyridians.

There's not a lot available online, you could read The Bible and Islam: Or, The Influence of the Old and New Testaments on the Religion of Mohammedpages 92-94.

The strongest passage in the Quran for Mary as part of the Trinity in my opinion is:

005.116
YUSUFALI: And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
PICKTHAL: And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?
SHAKIR: And when Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah he will say: Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); if I had said it, Thou wouldst indeed have known it; Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I do not know what is in Thy mind, surely Thou art the great Knower of the unseen things.

That's three English translations of 5:116. Of course we also see that Mohammed always took the trinity to be multiple gods. So he couldn't reconcile it with God is one. But if you read the Quran carefully, his attitude towards the Holy Spirit is quite different than his attitude towards the trinity.

Marv

 

[Tonks]

Dunno...never read the thing. However, as I don't turn to the Qu'ran for guidance I could care less what it says.

 

[a_ntv]

Really?

Did you guys take that out with Vatican II? That is pretty unfortunate...

No, there were not changes about prayers to Mary after the CVII

Mary is quoted only in the Creed (as obviuos) and in the Eucharist Prayer listed with the saints that are already are in heaven.

No specific prayers to Mary were present in the Mass nor before the CVII nor in the NO

 

[The Prokeimenon!]

This is another issue I've had with praying to Mary or the Saints. By doing so, we give a group a reason to mock and deny God and Jesus. I realize it's not worship, but I just wonder if the RCC should tone down veneration a bit, as otherwise it could act as a stumbling block .

They're going to saw our heads off no matter what we do so we might as well pray and worship as we have from the beginning. Toning down our worship won't cut it- the only thing that will satisfy them is if we are either dead or muslim.

Rdr Moses