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Does the Church have a position on this one way or another?

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When I was an evangelical I remember hearing this teaching that Jesus didn't start his rabbinical ministry until he was 30 because he was being taught himself by rabbis and such, as was the Jewish tradition of the time. They had three schools called Bet-Sefer, Bet-Talmud, and Bet-Midrash in that order. The herd was basically thinned as kids progressed through each one, the capable ones graduating and the those who struggled told to "go ply your family trade". So by the time you get to Bet-Midrash it's "the best of the best of the best" - the boys who were surely going to be rabbis and maybe even priests or a high priest. So they go through this schooling system until they were about 15 and then they begin a more personal discipleship under a rabbi for a number of years until they're blessed to begin their own ministry at age 30.

So you can see how Christ's life in a lot of ways follows that mold, and that it's a possible explanation of what happened in the years of his life that aren't outlined in Sacred Scripture. The teacher who explained this also pointed out that what was happening in Luke 2:46 where it says "After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions." That's essentially the experience of Bet-Midrash.

Further, the teacher said that's part of what makes Christ eventually calling his apostles so significant. They were fishing and doing other jobs, so obviously they weren't "the best of the best" who had matriculated through these schools. They at some point were told to go and ply their family trade. Then Christ comes and tells them they are good enough, so no wonder they so quickly abandoned their nets to follow him. Besides what they might've perceived as him being the Messiah, to be told they're good enough to disciple under a rabbi is a big deal.

Anyway, that remains one of the most profound teachers I've ever heard and I'm wondering if the Church or a Saint or anybody has ever established a teaching or doctrine on it. I know a lot of evangelicals push back on that saying "No, no way, Jesus is God so he had all of the knowledge already." Which I think is kind of a straw man, just because he went through schooling doesn't mean he didn't already know everything. He experienced humanity in it's fullest so he could redeem it fully, which means he engaged with all of the cultural traditions that he was raised in.

I'm not saying I personally hold this as a belief, since I don't know whether the Church rejects the concept. But I do think it's an interesting interpretation of Christ's life leading up to his ministry.
 
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When I was an evangelical I remember hearing this teaching that Jesus didn't start his rabbinical ministry until he was 30 because he was being taught himself by rabbis and such, as was the Jewish tradition of the time. They had three schools called Bet-Sefer, Bet-Talmud, and Bet-Midrash in that order. The herd was basically thinned as kids progressed through each one, the capable ones graduating and the those who struggled told to "go ply your family trade". So by the time you get to Bet-Midrash it's "the best of the best of the best" - the boys who were surely going to be rabbis and maybe even priests or a high priest. So they go through this schooling system until they were about 15 and then they begin a more personal discipleship under a rabbi for a number of years until they're blessed to begin their own ministry at age 30.

So you can see how Christ's life in a lot of ways follows that mold, and that it's a possible explanation of what happened in the years of his life that aren't outlined in Sacred Scripture. The teacher who explained this also pointed out that what was happening in Luke 2:46 where it says "After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions." That's essentially the experience of Bet-Midrash.

Further, the teacher said that's part of what makes Christ eventually calling his apostles so significant. They were fishing and doing other jobs, so obviously they weren't "the best of the best" who had matriculated through these schools. They at some point were told to go and ply their family trade. Then Christ comes and tells them they are good enough, so no wonder they so quickly abandoned their nets to follow him. Besides what they might've perceived as him being the Messiah, to be told they're good enough to disciple under a rabbi is a big deal.

Anyway, that remains one of the most profound teachers I've ever heard and I'm wondering if the Church or a Saint or anybody has ever established a teaching or doctrine on it. I know a lot of evangelicals push back on that saying "No, no way, Jesus is God so he had all of the knowledge already." Which I think is kind of a straw man, just because he went through schooling doesn't mean he didn't already know everything. He experienced humanity in it's fullest so he could redeem it fully, which means he engaged with all of the cultural traditions that he was raised in.

I'm not saying I personally hold this as a belief, since I don't know whether the Church rejects the concept. But I do think it's an interesting interpretation of Christ's life leading up to his ministry.
Is there something you could refer us to so we could read more? I have never heard about anything within the RCC that referred to what you are speaking of. I think of course Jesus participated in the culture and traditions of His day but most of his hidden years remains a mystery. I know Emmerich and others claiming visions of certain parts of Jesus’ life before starting his ministry. Not sure I buy it all as literal though as many things can simply be private revelation.
 
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Is there something you could refer us to so we could read more? I have never heard about anything within the RCC that referred to what you are speaking of. I think of course Jesus participated in the culture and traditions of His day but most of his hidden years remains a mystery. I know Emmerich and others claiming visions of certain parts of Jesus’ life before starting his ministry. Not sure I buy it all as literal though as many things can simply be private revelation.

I think the original story was from Rob Bell back before he abandoned orthodoxy, if that's what you mean. I'm not sure I have his books anymore but I can see if I can dig up the original passage. Or it might've even been from one of his NOOMA videos like 15+ years ago.
 
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I sometimes wonder if Christ was initially attracted to the Pharisees in his younger years. They were held in high regard at one time, and when he was 12, he was talking with the teachers of the law at the temple. So he had at least a passing acquaintance with them.

But there's nothing like a disillusioned disciple to take a hard line against former ideologues.

Just a thought.
 
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Christ was 'plying His trade' as a carpenter before starting His ministry, so it seems pretty unlikely He was going through any of the "rabbi schools".
Mark 6:1-3

He went away from there and came to his own country; and his disciples followed him. And on the sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue; and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get all this? What is the wisdom given to him? What mighty works are wrought by his hands! Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon, and are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.
 
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"but not finding him, they returned to Jerusalem to look for him.
After three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions,
and all who heard him were astounded at his understanding and his answers. Luke 2:45-47"

Obviously, Jesus learned from his teachers, but also had an understanding and divine intelligence of his own,
which astonished even his teachers.
 
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I believe the official teaching of the Church about our Lord Jesus' early life is ... we don't know, except what has been reveal in the Gospels. I get that this is one heck of a interesting subject to know, much like the history of all the Apostles after Acts chapter 2, or the life of our Blessed Mother after the same chapter in Acts.

These sadly we will not know until we get a chance to ask our Blessed Mother and Christ's Apostles when we meet them in Heaven. More motivation to get to heaven, yeah?
 
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Or it might've even been from one of his NOOMA videos like 15+ years ago.
I remember a NOOMA video which explained exactly what you just posted; I'd say that's where you got it from.
 
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