Does the Bible teach about Purgatory?

[Davy]

Somewhat in the that the Jehovah's Witnesses explain it?

I'm not a JW, if that's what you're getting at. And I don't know what all they teach, except the false idea that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and that they have their own Bible version.

If you stick to the written Scripture (and I rely on the KJV Bible), you will discover God's future Kingdom will be upon this earth. Where else would you find that the 'meek shall inherit the earth' as written?

So I feel sorry for those who follow men and their air castle dreams which are not written. Just because God's Word calls that future time Heaven doesn't mean a total disconnect with the earth He created to be for ever.

You ought to read the end of the Isaiah 19 Chapter, where God through His prophet Isaiah even says that Assyria, Israel, and Egypt shall EACH be one third in His future Kingdom. And there will be a highway running through each area.

 

[Davy]

Somewhat in the that the Jehovah's Witnesses explain it?

So, have you even read... the Genesis 2 Scripture about God's River there flowing out of His Garden of Eden, on earth, feeding four other rivers on the earth?

 

[Albion]

I'm not a JW, if that's what you're getting at.

No, I wasn't asking that.

I was asking if your idea is similar to what JWs teach. From what you've written, it appears to be so.

And I don't know what all they teach, except the false idea that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, and that they have their own Bible version.

I see. And now we probably should get back to the topic of this thread ("Does the Bible teach about Purgatory?").

 

[Davy]

Somewhat in the that the Jehovah's Witnesses explain it?

When you get done with reading Genesis 2 about God's River flowing out of His Garden to feed four other rivers on the earth, per the KJV Bible, then...

Theirs the Ezekiel 47 Chapter about Christ's future Millennial temple He will build when He returns, and its location in the middle east on earth,

Ezek 47:7-10
7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
KJV

Do you know where those places "En-gedi" and "En-eglaim" are? They are well known Biblical areas in the middle east, still there today. Yet the above event has NEVER happened yet to this day. But it will, upon this earth. And that is about God's River of Revelation 22, and the Tree of Life on either side of that River.

Many don't know about that because they don't study all their Bible. They instead listen to all sorts of men's traditions of what they think God's future Heavenly Kingdom will be like. It's sad too, because they have not studied to show themselves approved of God. He won't like it when they appear before Him in the future for teaching foolishness of living up in the clouds in His future Kingdom.

 

[Davy]

No, I wasn't asking that.

I was asking if your idea is similar to what JWs teach. From what you've written, it appears to be so.

Well, that idea is kind of disconcerting, because just trying to compare what I've said with JW erks of a certain type of strategy in itself against God's written Word. What I showed can be found in the KJV Bible, and JW as far as I know have their own Bible version. So they and I cannot actually be any farther apart as for Bible versions go. What your answer suggests to me instead is that you haven't really done enough Bible study for yourself.

 

[Albion]

Well, that idea is kind of disconcerting, because just trying to compare what I've said with JW erks of a certain type of strategy in itself against God's written Word.

It was about one teaching only, and even then it was merely a question asked in order for us to better understand your perspective, that's all.

 

[Davy]

It was about one teaching only, and even then it was merely a question asked in order for us to better understand your perspective, that's all.

My perspective?

My perspective is the written Word of God. Didn't I give Scripture backup for what I said?

When I asked if you ever read the Genesis 2 account about God's River, here is what I pointed to...

Gen 2:10-14
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

So is that not written in The Bible you use?

And how then is that NOT God's Perspective by His Own Word?

So if I align with God's Perspective, then how could it be "my perspective"? See the difference?

 

[Davy]

I see. And now we probably should get back to the topic of this thread ("Does the Bible teach about Purgatory?").

I agree, but you asked me, and I told you, so I was not trying to derail the thread.

And talking about men's traditions like Purgatory, which is a Catholic system belief from men, is not even a Biblical idea in the first place.

The reality per God's written Word is that Heaven, His Paradise, Garden of Eden, used to be upon this earth, literally. There are two separate dimensions of existence written of in God's Word (like 1 Corinthians 15:48-49). They are different. One is made up of material matter, and the other is made up of Spirit. Both... existed together in the same time and space originally, when God's Eden was upon this earth. That also is how it will be in His future Kingdom, as written in Revelation 21.

In John 3, Lord Jesus tried... to explain the two separate dimensions to Nicodemus, a Pharisee who supposedly was supposed to have understood about heavenly things. Nicodemus didn't understand the two dimensions, and no doubt was because of men's traditions of thinking the soul and spirit is part of our material makeup when it is not.

In Hebrews 11:3, we are shown about the two separate dimensions of existence. And it is by a law that even today's scientists recognize and believe. It's about material matter, that it cannot be created nor destroyed, but only change its state (solid, liquid, gas, vapor). The verse says just by the fact that things 'seen' do not originate from things that do appear, that is proof of God's existence, because something outside this material dimension had... to have created it that is NOT of material matter. And that something we call God Who is a Spirit (John 4:24).

Without understanding about the two dimensions, one will never understand much of God's written Word; definitely not about matters of the Spirit, and definitely not about what happens at death of our flesh, nor of where we go at flesh death, and definitely not about the future resurrection and the world to come.

 

[Deano715]

Luke 23:43 'Today you will be with me in paradise'

2 Corinthians 5:8 'To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord'

Was wsiting for someone to post this as I couldnt remember the book or chspter.

 

[Davy]

Was wsiting for someone to post this as I couldnt remember the book or chspter.

Yet still, 'which side'... in Paradise does one want to go at flesh death? On one side is the abode of 'hell' where the "rich man" of Luke 16 found himself. And the poor beggar Lazarus, and probably a preacher (by his name), went to the side where Abraham was.

 

[Deano715]

To be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord. So those saved will be in heaven/paradise. Abrahams bosom is a non issue since the ressurection. Unless thats where you think the Lord is. So, to address the purgatory question. There is no such place.

 

[JohnPaul88]

Does the Bible teach about Purgatory?
Does purgatory exist?

I believe this is a Catholic fabrication, the Bible does not teach about Purgatory.

 

[Deano715]

I believe this is a Catholic fabrication, the Bible does not teach about Purgatory.

Agreed. The RCC invented and used it as a way to sell indulgencies to shorten your stay in purgatory. All about the money.

 

[Valletta]

Agreed. The RCC invented and used it as a way to sell indulgencies to shorten your stay in purgatory. All about the money.

1 Corinthians 3:13-15
Every man's work shall be manifest; for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire; and the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. If any man's work abide, which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

Catholics refer to this fire spoken of as "purgatory."

The belief that there is such a cleansing pre-dates to Old Testament times:
2 Maccabees 12:46:
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

If there were no purgatory, no cleansing fire, there would be no need to pray for the dead.

 

[CMDRExorcist]

No, there is no such thing and the Bible does not teach about it. 1 Thessalonians 15 is often used to justify the existence of an intermediate state where the souls of believers await final resurrection with Christ (instead of going directly to Heaven). It's a place were believers spend their time with Jesus in preparation for the reunification of the heavenly realms and the earth. That's the view that I personally ascribe to, but I don't believe that it's a place with a chance for redemption or salvation. That must be done on earth through faith in Christ alone.

 

[Valletta]

No, there is no such thing and the Bible does not teach about it. 1 Thessalonians 15 is often used to justify the existence of an intermediate state where the souls of believers await final resurrection with Christ (instead of going directly to Heaven). It's a place were believers spend their time with Jesus in preparation for the reunification of the heavenly realms and the earth. That's the view that I personally ascribe to, but I don't believe that it's a place with a chance for redemption or salvation. That must be done on earth through faith in Christ alone.

The Bible does not say whether the purification is a place or a state. There is no place with a second chance.

 

[CMDRExorcist]

The Bible does not say whether the purification is a place or a state. There is no place with a second chance.

100% agree.