Women should not be treated any differently than men.
Could you clarify this? What exactly does this mean? It's much too open-ended.
When various groups all state that a good women should be subservient to men, and all those groups take pride in being ables to trace themselves back to a single source, it makes it pretty easy to draw a comparison.
Ok. Let's go with this. Muslims do indeed treat their women in a manner that most people may find objectionable. However, what does that have to do with true Christianity? I have yet to hear one true Christian say that he treats his wife in a manner that's consistent with families dating all the way back to Abraham.
So, what's your point. I'm a Christian, and my wife is under my headship in the family. That doesn't make her
subservient to me, but rather that she is under my headship, not beneath me in importance and value. I protect her and provide for her. She is the weaker vessel.
You really need to get over the fact that this world simply isn't full of seven foot tall Amazon women who can bench-press any man. Not all women are militant, foaming-at-the-mouth feminazis. You're experience with women must be very limited...either that, or you have very bad taste in women. Your continual reliance upon subjectivity in how women should be treated points to some fantasy world that has no tangibility, unless you can show me, or name for me an objective standard upon which you rely for your basis of comparison.
What exactly do you want? Do you want women to have the freedom to walk into the bathroom when you're standing at the urinal, doing your business? Just how
equal do you want them? Where's the limit. What are the distinctions? You've got to paint a consistent, concrete portrait if you want people to take you more seriously.
You are missing the point. All of the examples given are pulled from groups that self identify as an Abrahamic tradition.
What Christians say that they're following Abrahamic tradition? I certainly don't. We admire his faith. None of us can say how he treated his wives. We weren't there. We didn't do some pseudo-scientific, psychological study of his family. So, what's your point? You appear to be assuming something into the mix that you can't possibly know for sure. Just because those groups claim they've patterned themselves after Abraham doesn't mean that they've patterned themselves after
EVERY ASPECT of that man's life.
Abraham didn't go around forcing people, at the tip of a sword, to convert to his beliefs, islam has and still does. Just go and visit the far reaches of Jordan sometime, and see for yourself. Sarah was so taken with her husband Abraham that she willingly called him lord. That speaks of her being humble of heart and spirit, as opposed to the unattractive, buck-toothed Amazon in curlers who wants euqal or more authority than a man.
I dare say that you'd prefer men friends who are humble and loving than course, rough and indifferent, unless you're of that personality yourself. I'm a tall, powerfully built, muscular brute, who has a countenance that's very intimidating, and yet my heart is tender and loving. I hurt nobody intentionally. So, again, what's your point?
All of these groups self identify as conservative. All of these groups put restrictions on women that they do not put on men.
Do you actually think that all the women in such groups are captives, that they want out, and that they dislike their circumstances? I don't condone the obvious abuses, but all you've done is subjectively assume into your portrait a world filled with thoughts and emotions that simply don't represent the complete reality all around us. You'd have to be deity to see into the minds and hearts of all those people. You carry a label that identifies you as not believing in deity. Are you now laying claim for yourself such power?
And most, if not all, expect other women not of their group to act in the same manner.
When's the last time you saw a budhist or mormon state that muslim women need to dress more sexy? Come on! What are you talking about? Why not over to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Sudan and tell those naughy men to stop treating their women with such brutish inequality? If you're tha objective ambassador as to how all women should be treated, then why not start your own crusade? There are many men out there who are treated with disregard for decency and equity. What about them? India is chocked full of a culture that looks down upon the lower, poor class as being less than human. Why not
DO somrthing about it?
Merely equality. If you require for women to be covered from head to toe, make the men do so as well.
What those men do is completely beyond my control, and they have nothing to do with me or Christianity. They can claim to own the moon, but that doesn't make it true.
Do not make women sit in the back of the bus. Do not write in a holy book that women are subservient to men and that their value is quantifiably less that that on a man's.
The Bible makes no such claims. So, what's your point in relation to us?
Then you should have not said anything if you are not willing to back up your initial assertion. I have laid down objective examples of women being treated with more restrictions than men in conservative Abrahamic traditions. You have provided nothing.
There's two sides to this coin: Two nothings still equal nothing. You've made claims about a group that has no way of being verified, given that no man alive today has a record of exactly how Abraham interacted with this wives, and how he treated them, and you've painted a fairly inaccurate portrait of groups with which you've obviously spent no time with, and made no effort to truly get to know. Come here and spend time with my faily before you paint us with your subjective coloring from that broad brush of yours.
BTW&DM
That was sooooo...witty...
