Does the Bible address the concept of Evolution?

caravelair · Jun 25, 2005

Schroeder said:
At least you say it is your interpretation, because it is wrong.

i'm sure he thinks your interpretation is wrong too. at least his doesn't contradict reality.

it is based on your field study which could be wrong interpretation as well or the best you can do based on the knowledge we know of the earth and such.

yes, considering all we know about the world, YEC is clearly false.

the idea that you think your absolutly right is your problem, the need to understand it all is a big problem for most.

seems to me you have the same problem. you consider your interpretation of the bible to be absolutely correct. and when the evidence contradicts your interpretation, you choose to trust your own interpretation over the evidence.

Linux98 · Jun 25, 2005

I began this thread to ask which verses in scripture support the concept of evolution. So far there has been only one verse presented: Genesis 1:11

Then God said, "Let the land burst forth with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant. And let there be trees that grow seed-bearing fruit. The seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And so it was.

Q: Do theistic evolutionists find support from any other scriptures for their concept of evolution? (note: it doesn't even have to be restricted to Genesis)

Northern Christian · Jun 25, 2005

Of course the Bible addresses it. It says that God created the world in 6 days. Everything else about how anything came to be is a lie.

Linux98 · Jun 25, 2005

Northern Christian said:
Of course the Bible addresses it. It says that God created the world in 6 days. Everything else about how anything came to be is a lie.

If only it were that simple....(sigh)

Followers4christ · Jul 9, 2005

Anybody that says their a christian and believes in evolution is a liar.Christians believes that the bible is the word of GOD.GENESIS 1:28"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Evolutionist believe that we came from monkeys.Ask yourself this how can you be a Christian and say the bibles a lie?If your a evolutionist thats what your saying that God didnt creat you.

random_guy · Jul 9, 2005

Followers4christ said:
Anybody that says their a christian and believes in evolution is a liar.Christians believes that the bible is the word of GOD.GENESIS 1:28"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Evolutionist believe that we came from monkeys.Ask yourself this how can you be a Christian and say the bibles a lie?If your a evolutionist thats what your saying that God didnt creat you.

I'm guessing you must've not read the forum rules where it states to not call Christians non-Christians because they believe in evolution. Are you aware how many people would be driven away from Christianity because of your statement?

Last time I checked, creationism or evolution is not required for salvation.

corvus_corax · Jul 9, 2005

Followers4christ said:
Anybody that says their a christian and believes in evolution is a liar.Christians believes that the bible is the word of GOD.GENESIS 1:28"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Evolutionist believe that we came from monkeys.Ask yourself this how can you be a Christian and say the bibles a lie?If your a evolutionist thats what your saying that God didnt creat you.

You're new here, so I'll post this friendly reminder for you (since you apparently didnt actually read the forum rules)-
Forum rule 1.4 You will not directly state or otherwise imply that another member is not a Christian.

Your statement was directed at all of the Christians who believe in theistic evolution.

To keep yourself out of trouble in the future, I would recommend that you follow the rules.

Besides, the Bible never says that one must believe in a literal 6 day creation with man being literally created from dust to have everlasting life. Never.
Not once.

Look it up.

On another note, where in the Bible does it say that Christians believe that the Bible is Jesus (the Word of God)?
Last I read, Jesus Himself is supposedly the Word of God.
Jesus and the Bible are two seperate things. Dont confuse the two.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the Word, and nowhere in the Bible does it say that Christians must believe so.

Oh yes, and evolution does not equal atheism (just so you know).

Thanks and have fun on ChristianForums

Followers4christ · Jul 9, 2005

random_guy said:
I'm guessing you must've not read the forum rules where it states to not call Christians non-Christians because they believe in evolution. Are you aware how many people would be driven away from Christianity because of your statement?

Last time I checked, creationism or evolution is not required for salvation.

Christians have a responsibility to tell the truth not just lie and say your a good christian when thier not.GENESIS 1:26"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."GENESIS 1:27"So God created man in his image,in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them"Ask yourself this should i follow Gods rules or should i follow man rules.
1 TIMOTHY 1:7"They want to be teachers of the law but do not know what thier talking about or what they so confidently affirm."
MARK 16:15 "Then he told them go in to all the world and preach to all creation."How can evolutionist be Christian if they say the bibles a lie.By saying that God didnt creat man,that man came from monkey is just ridiculus.God created man in his own image so ether your saying that the word of God is false (saying that GODS a liar) or your calling GOD a monkey.

corvus_corax · Jul 9, 2005

Followers4christ said:
Christians have a responsibility to tell the truth not just lie and say your a good christian when thier not.

Of course
A lying Christian turns my stomach
They are held to high standards by the faith they claim to follow

Followers4christ said:
GENESIS 1:26"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."GENESIS 1:27"So God created man in his image,in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them"Ask yourself this should i follow Gods rules or should i follow man rules.

O wait.
NOW I get it
YOUR interpretation of these verses is the ONLY one that is the TRUTH?
Bzzzzzzt
Wrong

Followers4christ said:
MARK 16:15 "Then he told them go in to all the world and preach to all creation."How can evolutionist be Christian if they say the bibles a lie.

Theistic evolutionists are saying NO SUCH THING
You really have no idea what theistic evolution is, do you?

Followers4christ said:
By saying that God didnt creat man,that man came from monkey is just ridiculus.God created man in his own image so ether your saying that the word of God is false (saying that GODS a liar) or your calling GOD a monkey.

Theistic evolutionists ARE NOT saying that God didnt create Man.
Hang around here, read TE posts, get an education regarding where they are coming from.
Then post your rebuttals.

Until then, we can only conclude that you are new to the concept and so have a knee-jerk reaction to their interpretations of the bible.

rmwilliamsll · Jul 9, 2005

Followers4christ said:
Christians have a responsibility to tell the truth not just lie and say your a good christian when thier not.GENESIS 1:26"Then God said,"Let us make man in our image, in our likeness.and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock,over all the earth.and over all the creatures that move along the ground."GENESIS 1:27"So God created man in his image,in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them"Ask yourself this should i follow Gods rules or should i follow man rules.
1 TIMOTHY 1:7"They want to be teachers of the law but do not know what thier talking about or what they so confidently affirm."
MARK 16:15 "Then he told them go in to all the world and preach to all creation."How can evolutionist be Christian if they say the bibles a lie.By saying that God didnt creat man,that man came from monkey is just ridiculus.God created man in his own image so ether your saying that the word of God is false (saying that GODS a liar) or your calling GOD a monkey.

i suspect that you are not here to learn, but perhaps some lurkers are.

you imply that the image of God in man is physical. hence your error "man came from monkey". however if the image is spiritual then your objections are completely unfounded.

but i suspect that you don't really care much about logic or truth.
so this is really not directed to you.
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notto · Jul 9, 2005

Followers4christ said:
Anybody that says their a christian and believes in evolution is a liar.

Actually, I think it is you who are the liar. I accept evolution and other scientific discoveries and theories and I am a Christian. Please stop telling falsehoods about other Christians.

Anybody that says their a Christian and that other Christians can't accept evolution is a liar.

Moo · Jul 9, 2005

I've always found these Creationist/TE debates to be very interesting.

I'm sort of on both sides (as many atheist/agnostics are I suppose), where I agree with the Creationist interpretation of Genesis, but also agree with the TE's when it comes to their interpretation of the universe (the actual Creation, so to speak).

I really don't think the writers of Genesis knew anything about evolution, as there seems to be a lot of scriptural gymnastics needed to make it fit.

Mystman · Jul 9, 2005

notto said:
Actually, I think it is you who are the liar. I accept evolution and other scientific discoveries and theories and I am a Christian. Please stop telling falsehoods about other Christians.

Anybody that says their a Christian and that other Christians can't accept evolution is a liar.

Depends on what you call a "Christian".

Words of wisdom from my father: "how can you be convinced that part X of a book is the full truth, with as only proof the existence of the book itself, while NOT believing in part Y of the same book?"

Or in other words: how can you believe Christ was the son of god etc etc because the Bible says so... but not believe the entire Bible? If "the bible says so" is enough of a reason to go to church every sunday, how can you just disregard the things it says in genesis, exodus, leviticus?

Sure, you can SAY that you're a Christian and believe in evolution, but it isn't a very logical standpoint.

coyoteBR · Jul 9, 2005

Mystman said:
Depends on what you call a "Christian".

Words of wisdom from my father: "how can you be convinced that part X of a book is the full truth, with as only proof the existence of the book itself, while NOT believing in part Y of the same book?"

Or in other words: how can you believe Christ was the son of god etc etc because the Bible says so... but not believe the entire Bible? If "the bible says so" is enough of a reason to go to church every sunday, how can you just disregard the things it says in genesis, exodus, leviticus?

Sure, you can SAY that you're a Christian and believe in evolution, but it isn't a very logical standpoint.

I really do not like Jacques Villeneuve, but I watch every Formula One race.
I don't agree with 30% or 40% of what he writes, but Millor Fernandes is still one of the writers I respect the most.

But on the case in question, is different.
It's not saying the Bible is false: is saying the Genesis is a fable, concerning the spiritual state of man. You don't need to believe a fox talks or wants some grapes to benefite from Aesop's tales, do you? The important truth remains, whatever the way you interpret that part

Things must be put in context

rmwilliamsll · Jul 9, 2005

Mystman said:
snip for brevity

Or in other words: how can you believe Christ was the son of god etc etc because the Bible says so... but not believe the entire Bible? If "the bible says so" is enough of a reason to go to church every sunday, how can you just disregard the things it says in genesis, exodus, leviticus?

Sure, you can SAY that you're a Christian and believe in evolution, but it isn't a very logical standpoint.

you do realize that 85-90% of all people who claim to be Christians in the world are not YECists? don't you?

you do realize that the exact same verses you claim mean a 6 24 hr day recent creation also strongly claim an eternal 7th day Sabbath? which is the point of those verses, not a scientific account of creation week. yet 7th day keepers are certainly less than 1% of Christians. Even the Lord's Day Sabbatarians are an very small number. now that is real logic, to swallow the camel while straining at gnats.

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notto · Jul 9, 2005

Mystman said:
Depends on what you call a "Christian".

Words of wisdom from my father: "how can you be convinced that part X of a book is the full truth, with as only proof the existence of the book itself, while NOT believing in part Y of the same book?"

Or in other words: how can you believe Christ was the son of god etc etc because the Bible says so... but not believe the entire Bible? If "the bible says so" is enough of a reason to go to church every sunday, how can you just disregard the things it says in genesis, exodus, leviticus?

Sure, you can SAY that you're a Christian and believe in evolution, but it isn't a very logical standpoint.

The creation can't lie. If our interpretation of the scripture conflicts with what we actually find in the creation, our interpretation must be incorrect.

I 'believe' that Christ was the son of God. I accept evolution, an old earth, and mainstream science because of the dilligent investigation of the creation done by Christian and other scientists. Denying what the creation actually shows us about how God created denies what the bible talks about when it says that God is the creator.

How can you ignore what the creation says about God and still hold to the belief in God? That seems illogical.

I don't say I'm a Christian, I AM a Christian. I don't find accepting the reality of the Creation and accepting the divinity of Christ as illogical at all. You might find it so, but the more I become familiar with the actual creation, the direct work of God, I would find it illogical to ignore what is found there and not accept it.

ChrisS · Jul 9, 2005

Address, no. Speak against, no. So their's no reason you can't accept evolution ( up until common descent), and keep a literal interpretation. However, unless creationism stops attacking science and proclaiming that it is science, we won't be getting anywhere as creationists. I feel if creationism was to be promoted as a way to interpret what science proclaims without any contradictions, creationism would be much more widely accepted. The way things are now, the only stategy I see them using is pure stuborness.

The creationist stategy right now, is only causing more division in the christian church, not to mention it really isn't converting that many people. I feel that you can only accept evidence for the bible when you are already christian. You can't convince anyone to faith, it's immpossible. No human can.

Mystman · Jul 9, 2005

rmwilliamsll said:
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Yes, I realise that the fast majority of Christians aren't YECs.

The question you need to ask yourself then: WHY do you believe in the Christian God?

If it is something like "I felt his presence, etc etc", you need to ask yourself: couldn't those feelings have been ordinary human feelings? Since Muslims/Boedhists/Hindoes/Jews/Atheists all have experienced the same?

If it is something like "because the Bible says so", the true problem starts. You can't offer Book A as proof for your believes, but at the same time accept the parts of that book that already FIT your believes.

ChrisS · Jul 9, 2005

Mystman said:
Yes, I realise that the fast majority of Christians aren't YECs.

The question you need to ask yourself then: WHY do you believe in the Christian God?

If it is something like "I felt his presence, etc etc", you need to ask yourself: couldn't those feelings have been ordinary human feelings? Since Muslims/Boedhists/Hindoes/Jews/Atheists all have experienced the same?

If it is something like "because the Bible says so", the true problem starts. You can't offer Book A as proof for your believes, but at the same time accept the parts of that book that already FIT your believes.

Not because of feelings. Once you establish that relationship with God, and understand his commands, you don't nessicarily need the bible. However, the bible is a way of continuing to get to know God better. There are tons of times when I pray about something that I find the answer as soon as I open up the bible. God uses the bible to answer us.

Mystman · Jul 9, 2005

ChrisS said:
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you didn't really awnser the question.

edit: or maybe you did. But how exactly do you know that those "commands" come from God? How exactly does you flipping open a book constitute an "awnser" from God? Does God control your fingers so you open the correct page? Or does your human mind just read something, and do you interpret it in such a way that it becomes an awnser to your prayer? You are aware that human minds do a LOT of interpreting?

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