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There were flies before the fall?How did Venus flytraps work before the fall?
The conclusion you have drawn that Eve's sin was in fact a blessing is exactly the opposite of the Bible's teaching. In every way.Yes I have. Many times over the past seventy years. Why would you ask?
https://answersingenesis.org/death-before-sin/did-death-of-any-kind-exist-before-the-fall/How did Venus flytraps work before the fall?
Insects have hemolymph, not blood.Who told you insects don't have blood? Have you ever seen what happens when a fly hits your windshield?
The conclusion you have drawn that Eve's sin was in fact a blessing is exactly the opposite of the Bible's teaching.
In actual fact I have not contradicted "Biblical teaching" whatsoever. What I have done is to disagree with a conclusion drawn from an interpretation of the Bible.
Bingo. I think the title of the thread should be: "Does science agree with *your personal interpretation* of the Bible?" Apparently the book can be "interpreted" in a variety of ways, but not all possible interpretations are consistent with empirical physics.
Correct. Any interpretation of the bible must also agree with reality.
So if Eve's act was actually a blessing, then what is the entire point of the Bible? That by following sinful desires and not listening to God, we bring blessings upon ourselves? That by rejecting God's instruction, and therefore the Bible, we are better off? Is the Bible therefore teaching that the entire reason we are here is to be apart from God?In actual fact I have not contradicted "Biblical teaching" whatsoever. What I have done is to disagree with a conclusion drawn from an interpretation of the Bible.
So if Eve's act was actually a blessing, then what is the entire point of the Bible?
That by following sinful desires and not listening to God, we bring blessings upon ourselves?
That by rejecting God's instruction, and therefore the Bible, we are better off?
Is the Bible therefore teaching that the entire reason we are here is to be apart from God?
Exactly my point. None of it would make any sense. How do you interpret the Bible if Eve didn't sin?Yes, we need to rethink the message the bible is attempting to convey.
That would make no sense, would it?
Rethinking the meaning of the bible does not mean rejecting God's instruction
That would make no sense, would it?
The issue I mentioned was that Jesus created all things, and one example in the last book of the bible is the angel from heaven stating just exactly that. Now who really thinks Jesus created Adam and formed him as a man and creation of God, and yet still thinks man evolved from animals..or that He created the sun for Adam via the big bang?? I think many if not most atheists might agree with me that if we claim to believe the bible, we ought to...well believe it. It is one thing to have godless views, but another thing to try to pretend they are derived from of fit Scripture.Funny, but I don't recall Jesus making any claims at all about the age of the Earth in any of the red letter parts of the Bible. Perhaps you could quote him for us?
Part of that 'divinity' is His words, and He says Scripture and Moses were bang on. If Scripture is a lie and Jesus did not create man and the sun and all things in the way Moses records and that came from God...then that is no divinity, but monkey business.Clearly that's not what it's all about, particularly since Catholics and other Christians like myself accept the divinity of Christ without necessarily believing in a young Earth.
I rest on Jesus, the rock, and Scripture, and don't much care who votes for anything else. Appeal to popularity is not a tact one can apply to Scripture.You're simply misusing religion as some sort of religious "guilt trip", while blatantly ignoring the fact that you're in the minority position even within the Christian community. It's a cheap debate tactic IMO.
Then admit what you are, and talk about that!I'm not Catholic,
Physics is no problem, it is a little fella that was hired to work in this present state only.You have a credibility problem as it relates to exclusive interpretation of a single book, and a huge credibility problem as it relates to empirical physics.
Amen!Translation: You're hiding behind the skirt of Jesus
?? Where did I even mention 'Christianity'?and misrepresenting the meaning of "Christianity" itself.
No one is forced to believe. This is news?Nobody is obligated to agree with YEC simply because they read the Bible and have faith in Christ.
No, that is known and confirmed by Christ. It is all about Jesus cover to cover. He is the message it is meant to convey, and part of that message is that He Personal made Eve. Every sexy bone in her body.Yes, we need to rethink the message the bible is attempting to convey....
Thanks Avi.Happy new year, dad!
The issue I mentioned was that Jesus created all things, and one example in the last book of the bible is the angel from heaven stating just exactly that. Now who really thinks Jesus created Adam and formed him as a man and creation of God, and yet still thinks man evolved from animals..
It claims six literal days of creation, followed by 4,000 years of genealogy, interrupted by the crucifixion, then followed by 2,000 years until the present.Pretty much every Catholic, as well as the majority of "Christians". Nowhere in the book does it claim that God created the Earth or anything else just 10K years ago.
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