Does science actually admit "design"?

[DogmaHunter]

It is pretty obvious. You don't need a weatherman to tell you which way the wind is blowing.

We have methods to objectively determine which way the wind is blowing.

What is your method to objectively detect artificial design?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sorry. I changed that comment before I posted it. I don't know how comments are viewable before they are even posted.

Air and food both enter through the mouth, but go down different tubes that are separated/controlled by the epiglottis. Clever design.

So clever that people die by choking on food every single day.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Such choking is not a very big problem anywhere in the world. Also the system is much more complex than just breathing and swallowing.

What do people die of? Mortality rates and data for every cause of death in 2011 visualised

In 2011, some 300 people choked to death on food in england alone.

Do you think terrorism is a big problem in the UK/world?

In the UK, you have about 5 times more chances of dieing by choking on food, then to be a victim (not casualty...) of a terror attack. And that's only if we choose a recent year with above average victims of terror attacks. Otherwise it's 100 time more chances...

 

[DogmaHunter]

If the cause of choking was a poorly designed system there would be millions of such deaths.

If food and air didn't have to go through the same tube, the amount of people choking on food would be exactly 0.

 

[DogmaHunter]

There is an almost tangible reverence for "science". To be fair, it is usually young guys either in, or just out of college. At the end of the day, "science" is just a word you will find in the dictionary with specific meanings.

This definition is as good as any other: "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"

It's when one argues that "science" is the salvation of man that it gets a bit creepy. The salvation of man is the death and resurrection of Christ. Science can work in harmony with that, but without that, science is a very malevolent "god". The "worship" of science is what gave us eugenics.

Still not sure what you are saying....Is what you are calling "worship" if someone says that science is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, accomplishes of mankind... ?

What does it mean to "revere" science or to call it "the salvation of man"?

I'm just not getting it.

Honestly, I don't think any of this means anything to non-religious people.
I think it's just you who sees science as a threat to your faith based beliefs and that this is your way of defending against that idea.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A VERY BAD comparison.
Science works with what can be seen and tested to the best of the human experience. A deity, of any order, is an extra-human being. It is outside of our scope to experience and thus science can't test for it.
If you can give us a test to show that any deity, let alone the God of the Bible, exists, then go for it. You'll get an instant Nobel Prize.

I can give anecdotal subjective evidence. Would that do?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can give anecdotal subjective evidence. Would that do?

Not at all.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If food and air didn't have to go through the same tube, the amount of people choking on food would be exactly 0.

And if people didn't hit trees at 100 mph there would be fewer auto deaths (or maybe if trees were softer).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not at all.

Sorry, that's all I've got right now.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And if people didn't hit trees at 100 mph there would be fewer auto deaths (or maybe if trees were softer).

People don't choose to choke. Not the same thing as reckless driving.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Sorry, that's all I've got right now.

Not surprising.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If food and air didn't have to go through the same tube, the amount of people choking on food would be exactly 0.

The mouth isn't a 'tube'. The epiglottis controls the access to the 'tubes'. The esophagus is generally only used for a few moments each day. I think people can focus enough not to choke on stuff. In fact if you think about it you don't really have to think about it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

People don't choose to choke. Not the same thing as reckless driving.

I don't people choose to hit trees at 100 mph.

Actually if choking was a big problem the liberals would be up in arms about it, blaming Bush and Trump, marching, etc.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't people choose to hit trees at 100 mph.

Actually if choking was a big problem the liberals would be up in arms about it, marching, etc.

... now that is honestly the most stupid thing I've ever seen anyone ever write on this forum.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

... now that is honestly the most stupid thing I've ever seen anyone ever write on this forum.

I thought it was pretty funny, if I do say so meself. (Me laughing.) (And probably no dumber than this whole conversation.)

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I thought it was pretty funny, if I do say so meself. (Me laughing.) (And probably no dumber than this whole conversation.)

Yeah, this conversation as a whole is pretty damn dumb.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yeah, this conversation as a whole is pretty damn dumb.

Not entirely useless though. I'm sure some people learned that esophagus isn't a city in Greece.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Not entirely useless though. I'm sure some people learned that esophagus isn't a city in Greece.

Okay, that one was funny.

 

[Speedwell]

... now that is honestly the most stupid thing I've ever seen anyone ever write on this forum.

It is also a very revealing statement. It bosters my contention that at the present time creationism is nothing but a right-wing political movement with little or nothing to do with Christ and His Gospel..

 

[Mr Darcy]

I think that you really need to get out in to the world and talk to people, since no-one actually reveres science as you say they do.

Actually, the opposite is true. Getting out in the world and talking to people is what caused me to form that opinion. And I've been doing it since before I graduated from High School way back in 1972. The evidence of this sort of thinking going on out there is overwhelming. And it is apparent - IF you get out in the world and talk to people.