Does Salvation Cost Nothing?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is this something a person can do by his own effort?

It is a choice.
Same as when Y'SHUA told a disciple this same thing.
They dropped everything and followed HIM, or they did not.

Later, those who walked away from HIM said it was too hard. (many today say this)
(remember many of HIS disciples walked away from HIM,
and HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM - HE DID NOT GO AFTER THEM)
They stopped following HIM.

Only those who remained with HIM were blessed.
Those who walked away from HIM did not have HIS PEACE nor JOY.
Only those who remained with HIM had HIS PEACE AND JOY.(along with much persecution, as HE SAID WOULD HAPPEN).

 

[Greg J.]

Later, those who walked away from HIM said it was too hard. (many today say this)
(remember many of HIS disciples walked away from HIM,
and HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM - HE DID NOT GO AFTER THEM)

It's certainly true that all the apostles abandoned him, and Peter also betrayed him.

 

[rturner76]

Is this something a person can do by his own effort?

*Sorry to step in here, I'm sure your post wasn't addressed to me but; no we are unable to accomplish this by our own effort.That is why we depend on God's grace for our salvation.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's certainly true that all the apostles abandoned him, and Peter also betrayed him.

So ?
I was referring to the many disciples that chose to walk away from Y'SHUA in the Gospels (and TODAY), without/ before the arrest and crucifixion.

They walked away just because they did not want to obey HIM - they said HIS WORDS were TOO HARD to bear.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

*Sorry to step in here, I'm sure your post wasn't addressed to me but; no we are unable to accomplish this by our own effort.That is why we depend on God's grace for our salvation.

Perhaps it was.
We all have the choice to obey YHWH all the while depending on YHWH'S GRACE in Y'SHUA ,
or we can trample HIS GRACE UNDERFOOT, and disobey HIM.
HE gives us the choice.

 

[rturner76]

Perhaps it was.
We all have the choice to obey YHWH all the while depending on YHWH'S GRACE in Y'SHUA ,
or we can trample HIS GRACE UNDERFOOT, and disobey HIM.
HE gives us the choice.

How can we trample his grace when it is given freely?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How can we trample his grace when it is given freely?

I don't remember the verse/ chapter. It is by choice.
Basically by sinning willfully - willingly disobeying Y'SHUA and dishonoring / trampling underfoot HIS BLOOD. (will search)**
I think it is written also "re-crucifying Y'SHUA"*** -
and "no one who goes on sinning willingly has any longer a sacrifice for his sins".

** edit in quik search not vetted:
Hebrews 10:29 How much more severely do you think someone ...
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Woe to Those Who Trample the Son of God Message by John Piper. Close. John ... , and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was ...
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What does it mean to 'trample underfoot the blood of Christ ...
If you at one time trusted Christ for your salvation then returned to follow the law instead of the work of Christ, that is to trample underfoot the blood ...

***re-crucifying Y'SHUA is common on earth, and an abomination,
according to various and many reports online. (too many to ignore: easy search if you want to find)

 

[Tigger45]

Put Christ first and last and everything else will fall into place.

 

[rturner76]

What does it mean to 'trample underfoot the blood of Christ ...
If you at one time trusted Christ for your salvation then returned to follow the law instead of the work of Christ, that is to trample underfoot the blood ...

The above is correct because we are no longer under the law, we are under Grace
It explains more below:

Romans 3:20-24
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus

 

[AngelOf Laodicea]

How can we trample his grace when it is given freely?

Hebrews 10:26-31 I believe.

Jeff was not quite remembering it correctly

 

[AngelOf Laodicea]

We are not under the Torah, but we are under a new covenant and each covenant has it's own laws and stipulations.

 

[rturner76]

Hebrews 10:26-31 I believe.

Jeff was not quite remembering it correctly

This is good now I'll explain how he is not talking about losing his salvation but living in fear of losing his salvation: (mine is in parentheses)

26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth,
(after receiving the knowledge that you have been saved by grace through Christ's sacrifice you boldly continue to live in your sinful ways)

there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. (You will no longer remember Christ's sacrifice but will fear his judgement for your sins)

Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. (You remember in the old way there was no mercy for sinners)

who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace? (Who has done these sinful things? You have and by your guilty conscience you feel you have lost your grace)

“Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (You remember all the things that were said about sinners)


(See, the thing is you can't lose your grace because you never earned it in the first place. You can only torture yourself with guilt by not living up to the grace that was given.)

Romans 2:29
No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise does not come from men, but from God.

2 Corinthians 12:8-9
8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.