Does religion cause war?

[createdtoworship]

If less than 3% of the wars are caused by non islamic religion that means over 97% of the wars are caused by islamic religion.

I am sure you did not exactly mean that , but that is what you wrote.

How about writing less but being more logical , consistent and factual.

I don't think you understand. 7% are caused by religion. 3% are caused by non islamic religion, 4% islamic religion, and 93% non religious causes, for territory, natural resources, atheistic reasons as in china. Sorry if I made it confusing or posted something wrong.

 

[Strong in Him]

"All religion does is cause war!"

People cause wars.
People say, "my god is greater than your/my skin colour is superior to yours/my need for land is greater than yours/you have hurt me and I have the right to revenge", and choose to fight others over it. Then you have leaders who are convinced of their right to power and will do anything to hold onto that power, and other countries who feel (rightly or wrongly) that the only way to stop them is forcibly; by fighting.

Religion is just one of the excuses that people use to start wars.

 

[createdtoworship]

People cause wars.
People say, "my god is greater than your/my skin colour is superior to yours/my need for land is greater than yours/you have hurt me and I have the right to revenge", and choose to fight others over it. Then you have leaders who are convinced of their right to power and will do anything to hold onto that power, and other countries who feel (rightly or wrongly) that the only way to stop them is forcibly; by fighting.

Religion is just one of the excuses that people use to start wars.

7% of wars are caused by religion while 80% of Nobel PEACE prizes (to stop war), are from christians. If anything the OP proves religion, and christians in general are lessening global war.

 

[theoneandonlypencil]

7% of wars are caused by religion while 80% of Nobel PEACE prizes (to stop war), are from christians. If anything the OP proves religion, and christians in general are lessening global war.

Fairly certain that most of the 'religious wars' we're talking about here existed long before nobel peace prizes..

 

[createdtoworship]

Fairly certain that most of the 'religious wars' we're talking about here existed long before nobel peace prizes..

we are talking wars from all history but recent developments in peace process.

 

[lsume]

again less than 3% of wars are caused by non islamic religion while over 80% of nobel PEACE PRIZES are christian, read that again.

Since Islam is antichrist, it would follow that your numbers are correct. They do not believe that Christ is The Only Begotten Son of God. They believe that Muhammad is higher than Christ or equal to Him I don’t recall.

 

[theoneandonlypencil]

we are talking wars from all history but recent developments in peace process.

I'm just saying because Christianity/Judaism has definitely been in it's share of wars.

 

[johnnywong]

"All religion does is cause war!"
"What have Christians done for the sciences and humanities?"

Enjoy this graphic.
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This graph is a simplification of the data. Some debate remains as to if the 7% figure should be lower considering a lot of movements are contained in the number. The percentage drops to 3% after the Islamic wars are deducted.​

Yes . Many wars are fought for religion reasons. Jesus want us to believe in him not believe in religion as many churchgoers nowadays do.

 

[createdtoworship]

I'm just saying because Christianity/Judaism has definitely been in it's share of wars.

since the reformation and a return to biblical principles, christianity has definitely been more peaceful than the other way around. And an 80% statistic on the nobel peace prizes supports this view. Jews are not christian. Christians actually have theological differences in the midst of christian sect, some strictly pacifist some non resistant, other extremely militant. But I feel Christ is somewhat moderate. I believe He believed in a right to defend one self and arm oneself, however not to war over oil for example or war over land or possession.

 

[createdtoworship]

Update to OP: Just as long as we're keeping in mind that, as everyone knows, Christianity is "anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-thinking, anti-progress, etc." Keep the antis coming, the data speaks for itself.

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[St_Worm2]

 

[GingerBeer]

Does religion cause war?

Well, there was the 100 years war between England and France and that was fairly religious with saint Joan of Arc involved and all and she had a message from God. Then there was the 30 years war in the Germanic states and that was a fight about Protestantism Vs Catholicism. Then there were the crusades which were about Christians beating up Muslims to reclaim the "Holy land". And there was the Islamic invasion of heaps of places with the aim of spreading Islam. And the war between Muslims and Hindus at Partition time in India (around 1948 or so). And there were those wars between Spanish explorers and native North and South Americans on the pretext of spreading the gospel. The "Troubles" in Northern Ireland with Protestant Vs Catholic.

I think that there were a lot of wars where religion played a significant role justifying the war.

 

[Niels]

Governments cause war. Sometimes, however, governments align with a religion, and the lines become blurred. This is likely why Islam has a higher religious war statistic than other religions. It's both a religion and a political system. Christianity itself went through periods like this. I'd argue, however, that it's generally the governmental aspect... and not the religious aspect... that leads to warfare. Most religious people never engage in battle. Some are even conscientious objectors, citing their religion as a reason to not get involved. The same can't be said for governments! Almost every government has engaged in war, regardless of their official stance on religious matters.

That said, governments do what they can to inspire their troops. If their soldiers are religious, they might tap into religion as a powerful motivator. This is understandable on the one hand, as governments want to win the war, yet insidious on the other. It seems to me that this is why the idea that religion causes wars persists. If the government tells you that fighting for your country is your duty to God. this puts the idea in your head that the government's cause is aligned with your religion. Many are wary or resentful of idea of being manipulated this way.

 

[createdtoworship]

Governments cause war. Sometimes, however, governments align with a religion, and the lines become blurred. This is likely why Islam has a higher religious war statistic than other religions. It's both a religion and a political system. Christianity itself went through periods like this. I'd argue, however, that it's generally the governmental aspect... and not the religious aspect... that leads to warfare. Most religious people never engage in battle. Some are even conscientious objectors, citing their religion as a reason to not get involved. The same can't be said for governments! Almost every government has engaged in war, regardless of their official stance on religious matters.

That said, governments do what they can to inspire their troops. If their soldiers are religious, they might tap into religion as a powerful motivator. This is understandable on the one hand, as governments want to win the war, yet insidious on the other. It seems to me that this is why the idea that religion causes wars persists. If the government tells you that fighting for your country is your duty to God. this puts the idea in your head that the government's cause is aligned with your religion. Many are wary or resentful of idea of being manipulated this way.

I would not say that God in government is the problem. I would say it's the type of God you worship that is the problem people forget Muhammed was doing raids on innocent cities for land and possessions way before preaching in a temple.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

even though stats are used in 90% of all science. Yeah, I don't think so sir. Nice try.

Stats are used, but when presented, this is the bias.

It's kind of like how there's scripture and then interpretation.

Equating stats to facts is a similar fallacy.

 

[createdtoworship]

Stats are used, but when presented, this is the bias.

It's kind of like how there's scripture and then interpretation.

Equating stats to facts is a similar fallacy.

stats are used in 100% of science. So yes we can equate stats to facts. Are some of them wrong? Perhaps, but you don't poison the well and say they ARE ALL WRONG.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

stats are used in 100% of science. So yes we can equate stats to facts. Are some of them wrong? Perhaps, but you don't poison the well and say they ARE ALL WRONG.

Fallacy.

Explanation:

I was saying stats do not equal facts since humans interpret them.

You interpret this to mean, I am saying all stats are wrong.

Conclusion:

This proves my point that presentation of statistics are skewed by a human observing and communicating them. If you cannot interpret my posts correctly, then how much so some statistical data?

 

[createdtoworship]

Fallacy.

Explanation:

I was saying stats do not equal facts since humans interpret them.

You interpret this to mean, I am saying all stats are wrong.

Conclusion:

This proves my point that presentation of statistics are skewed by a human observing and communicating them. If you cannot interpret my posts correctly, then how much so some statistical data?

Well I have explained how simply saying stats CAN BE WRONG versus the STATS ACTUALLY being wrong Is a burden you need to prove not me. I quoted reliable sources that is all one is asked to do. But saying a stat had a possibility of error proves nothing. All facts have the possibility of error.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, there was the 100 years war between England and France and that was fairly religious with saint Joan of Arc involved and all and she had a message from God. Then there was the 30 years war in the Germanic states and that was a fight about Protestantism Vs Catholicism. Then there were the crusades which were about Christians beating up Muslims to reclaim the "Holy land". And there was the Islamic invasion of heaps of places with the aim of spreading Islam. And the war between Muslims and Hindus at Partition time in India (around 1948 or so). And there were those wars between Spanish explorers and native North and South Americans on the pretext of spreading the gospel. The "Troubles" in Northern Ireland with Protestant Vs Catholic.

I think that there were a lot of wars where religion played a significant role justifying the war.

this is all part of the mere 7 percent of total wars.

 

[GingerBeer]

this is all part of the mere 7 percent of total wars.

Only with rose coloured glasses on. With clear vision it is clear that a great many major wars were tied up with religious differences, evangelism, proselytism, intolerance, and even "civilising the heathen".