Does Rejection of Absolute Truth Hold Some in Homosexual Bondage?

[Ohioprof]

Dear tulc,
well something of God's mind must be contained in the Bible unless you dont believe what Jesus said did and taught.
Of course we know God's mind when we have His Spirit in us and His word at our fingertips, otherwsie its merely a statement of disbelief.

Jesus said nothing about the Bible. It didn't exist while he was living.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
If you wish to refer to my beliefs you need to refer to my beliefs not yours. First you need to understand what my beliefs are before you can comment on them. As it happens your remark is merely a comment on your view of my belief, and it misrepresents my belief. My view is about same-sex sex, not same-sex love, I do not define sex as love, I define them as two separate things, and whilst sex can be a part of love, it is mutually exclusive. It is the mutually exclusive same-sex sex to which I am referring. OK? [/COLOR]
Nor am I referring to gay people’s love lives, some gay people don’t have sex so I am merely referring to the actions, not trying to implicate people so you cant object to their judgement.
So same-sex sex is a sin according to the Bible as I have shown you Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2 and Jude 1, same-sex sex has no context to marriage Gen 2, Matt 19, Eph 5 and as I believe Jesus Christ is the truth and His words are the truth as He claims yes as far as I am concerned this is the absolute truth.
But I note you non-belief once again.

Same-sex intimacy within marriage IS the expression of love. When you decry same-sex sex, you effectively deny the love between committed spouses.

And why do you care about two married adults having sex anyway? Why is this your business? It's between the two married people, and it's not for you to decry or to judge. I don't run around judging you for having sex with your spouse. I don't care about it.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Jesus said nothing about the Bible. It didn't exist while he was living.

Jesus quoted the same scripture that we find in our bible. OT of course.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

Again, you are not God.

neither are you, but God is God.

This is your opinion, not God's.

No this is not your god’s opinion, it is our God’s opinion as we have shown because we believe the Bible is the word of God. I have given you my God’s opinion form His Biblical word. Let me repeat So same-sex sex is a sin according to the Bible as I have shown you Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2 and Jude 1, same-sex sex has no context to marriage Gen 2, Matt 19, Eph 5. So please merely denying our God and come up with some evidence of what your god says.

This has been pointed out to you many times before.

You do not speak for God.

Well yes we do if we speak what God has said. Listen, if I repeat what you have said it doesn’t become my opinion, its still your opinion. You are just denying God.

God has said nothing at all about same-sex marriages, or about same-sex relations, which are NOT fornication.

God has indeed said marriage is man and woman so your idea of same-sex marriage is not of God. Also Jesus has explained that fornication breaks God’s creation purpose of man and woman so you deny God’s word.

My church performs same-sex weddings and recognizes and honors same-sex marriages. You may not believe we have the authority to do this, but we do it. You may not believe God has "ordained" this, but that's just your flawed human opinion. Again, you do not and cannot speak for God. It's just you talking, with your opinions, the same as my posts are just me talking.

Ok I don’t believe your church has the authority to do that as authority comes from Jesus. which is of course what Jesus says so yours is the flawed opinion as I have Jesus Christ’s words to refer to as truth you just have your opinion.

Jesus said nothing about the Bible. It didn't exist while he was living.

My point was Jesus words are contained in the Bible, your remark is irrelevant.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

Same-sex intimacy within marriage IS the expression of love.

According to your opinion yes but not according the word of God from the Bible citations I gave. Where is your evidence form your gay god? According to our God sexual intimacy is for its created purpose, within a faithful man/woman marriage. Even gays are men and women.

When you decry same-sex sex, you effectively deny the love between committed spouses.

But the point is I don’t. I don’t decry love and I am showing you our God ‘decry’s’ same-sex sex.
In future can you refer to our God not us please. Its irrelevant whether you believe in our God or not you have the reference point

NB. when I say your 'gay god' remember I have recently heard from non-Christian gay and lesbian friends that even they dont believe same-sex unions are marriage.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
According to your opinion yes but not according the word of God from the Bible citations I gave. Where is your evidence form your gay god? According to our God sexual intimacy is for its created purpose, within a faithful man/woman marriage. Even gays are men and women.
But the point is I don’t. I don’t decry love and I am showing you our God ‘decry’s’ same-sex sex.
In future can you refer to our God not us please. Its irrelevant whether you believe in our God or not you have the reference point

NB. when I say your 'gay god' remember I have recently heard from non-Christian gay and lesbian friends that even they dont believe same-sex unions are marriage.

There is no "gay god." There is only God.

There is nothing in the Bible that calls sexual intimacy within marriage anything other than the expression of love. You read your beliefs into the Bible, and then you demand that I produce Bible quotations that refute your beliefs, that refute your interpretation of the Bible's silence on the subject of same-sex marriage.

The refutation of your interpretation is in the complete silence of the Bible about same-sex marriage. Nowhere does the Bible condemn same-sex marriage, and nowhere does the Bible condemn the expression of intimacy within same-sex marriage. And nowhere does the Bible say that the expression of sexual intimacy within marriage is different from love.

 

[Ohioprof]

Jesus quoted the same scripture that we find in our bible. OT of course.

And it was not part of the Bible when he quoted it, and it was not called the OT, of course.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
According to your opinion yes but not according the word of God from the Bible citations I gave. Where is your evidence form your gay god? According to our God sexual intimacy is for its created purpose, within a faithful man/woman marriage. Even gays are men and women.
But the point is I don’t. I don’t decry love and I am showing you our God ‘decry’s’ same-sex sex.
In future can you refer to our God not us please. Its irrelevant whether you believe in our God or not you have the reference point

NB. when I say your 'gay god' remember I have recently heard from non-Christian gay and lesbian friends that even they dont believe same-sex unions are marriage.

God does not decry same-sex sex within marriage. That's you talking, and it's you obsessing about other people's love lives, which are none of your business.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

There is no "gay god." There is only God.

Sure there is only God, only one God and only One true God, who we are showing you from the Bible. All you are doing is denying Him by denying who He is from the Bible. That’s why your god is demonstrably diffferent

There is nothing in the Bible that calls sexual intimacy within marriage

let me stop you there. We are showing you what the Bible says, not what the Bible doesn’t say.

You read your beliefs into the Bible,

No you read what it says. The Bible says what it says, whether I quote it to you or Mercyburst or others the passages say the same thing and the ones we have cited exclude same-sex sex and condemn it. You are at liberty to say you don’t believe the Bible, but you aren’t at liberty to say the Bible doesn’t say what it says.

then you demand that I produce Bible quotations that refute your beliefs,

Nope I am asking for Bible quotations that support your beliefs.

that refute your interpretation of the Bible's silence on the subject of same-sex marriage.

The Bible isnt silent on same-sex marriage the Bible says marriage is man and woman, which means there is no same-sex marriage.

 

[Zaac]

Again, you are not God.

hey there OhioProf..I just read through, and yep, sure enough, at no point did I say that I was God.

This is your opinion, not God's.

God doesn't have opinions.

The Bible is God's Written Word. if you don't like what it says, tough.

You do not speak for God. Neither do I. No one does. We are all just flawed human beings.

As I have told you before, speak for yourself. I and all of my Christian Brothers and Sisters have been commissioned to speak for God. It's something we Christians learn in Christanity 101.

God has said nothing at all about same-sex marriages, or about same-sex relations, which are NOT fornication.

You don't believe that the Bible is His Word. As such, you have no idea what God says.

Andwho said same-sex relations were fornication? Same sex sex is fornication. Now don't place yourself in violation of Nicene Theology rules. By default, because the Nicene Creed is based in God's Word as given in the Bible, you changing into non-sin that whch His Word says IS sin, is a no no.

You stretch your interpretation of the Bible in order to label same-sex love "fornication." It is not fornication within the context of marriage.

You stretch your liberal interpretation of everything to attempt to justify lust and fornication as love.

My church performs same-sex weddings and recognizes and honors same-sex marriages.

There are a lot of heretical organizations in the world today.

You may not believe we have the authority to do this, but we do it.

People don't have the authority to murder, but they do.

You may not believe God has "ordained" this, but that's just your flawed human opinion.

You mean like you just gave your flawed human opinion?

Again, you do not and cannot speak for God.

Again, I did, I do, and I will continue to.

It's just you talking, with your opinions, the same as my posts are just me talking.

Your post have no power behind them. The Word of God that you don't believe is His Word will accomplish its purpose.

Some will be set free from this sin of homosexual fornication by the hearing of God's Word. And others who were about to escape will be enticed back into it by such slaves of depravity.

17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. 2 Peter 2:17-19

 

[Zaac]

There is no "gay god." There is only God.

There is nothing in the Bible that calls sexual intimacy within marriage anything other than the expression of love. You read your beliefs into the Bible, and then you demand that I produce Bible quotations that refute your beliefs, that refute your interpretation of the Bible's silence on the subject of same-sex marriage.

The refutation of your interpretation is in the complete silence of the Bible about same-sex marriage. Nowhere does the Bible condemn same-sex marriage, and nowhere does the Bible condemn the expression of intimacy within same-sex marriage. And nowhere does the Bible say that the expression of sexual intimacy within marriage is different from love.

Girl, why don't you just go ahead and admit that you've been given over to a reprobate mind and you don't care what God or His Word says?

I mean its obvious that you are your own god and that you think your opinion outweighs the Word of the God of Creation.

 

[savedandhappy1]

There is no "gay god." There is only God.

There is nothing in the Bible that calls sexual intimacy within marriage anything other than the expression of love. You read your beliefs into the Bible, and then you demand that I produce Bible quotations that refute your beliefs, that refute your interpretation of the Bible's silence on the subject of same-sex marriage.

The refutation of your interpretation is in the complete silence of the Bible about same-sex marriage. Nowhere does the Bible condemn same-sex marriage, and nowhere does the Bible condemn the expression of intimacy within same-sex marriage. And nowhere does the Bible say that the expression of sexual intimacy within marriage is different from love.

Let's see if homosexual fornification is only a sin because of fornification then why use the term homosexual at all?

If homosexual adultery is only a sin because of the adultery, then again why use the term homosexual adultery?

The Bible has already shown us that fornication and adultery are sins, so whether hetrosexual or homosexual, it doesn't matter it is a sin. Placing the word hetrosexual or homosexual in front of fornication or adultery isn't needed.

Why does the Bible not condemn homosexual unions/marriages? Could it be because that would be redundant, since the act of homosexuality is already condemned?

Since homosexuality is already condemned, and getting married doesn't change the fact that they are homosexuals there would be no reason to condemn that also.

 

[OllieFranz]

Let's see if homosexual fornification is only a sin because of fornification then why use the term homosexual at all?

If homosexual adultery is only a sin because of the adultery, then again why use the term homosexual adultery?

The Bible has already shown us that fornication and adultery are sins, so whether hetrosexual or homosexual, it doesn't matter it is a sin. Placing the word hetrosexual or homosexual in front of fornication or adultery isn't needed.

Yes, indeed why? This is the heart of our argument. It is you who keep insisting on separating the world into evil homosexuals and pure heterosexuals.

Why does the Bible not condemn homosexual unions/marriages? Could it be because that would be redundant, since the act of homosexuality is already condemned?

No, "homosexuality" is not condemned. One male-male action was banned under the Levitical Code.

Since homosexuality is already condemned, and getting married doesn't change the fact that they are homosexuals there would be no reason to condemn that also.

Since "homosexuality" is not condemned, the rest of your argument fails.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Yes, indeed why? This is the heart of our argument. It is you who keep insisting on separating the world into evil homosexuals and pure heterosexuals.



No, "homosexuality" is not condemned. One male-male action was banned under the Levitical Code.



Since "homosexuality" is not condemned, the rest of your argument fails.

Not my argument, but God's truth, there is a very big difference.

 

[Zaac]

Let's see if homosexual fornification is only a sin because of fornification then why use the term homosexual at all?

If homosexual adultery is only a sin because of the adultery, then again why use the term homosexual adultery?

The Bible has already shown us that fornication and adultery are sins, so whether hetrosexual or homosexual, it doesn't matter it is a sin. Placing the word hetrosexual or homosexual in front of fornication or adultery isn't needed.

Why does the Bible not condemn homosexual unions/marriages? Could it be because that would be redundant, since the act of homosexuality is already condemned?

Since homosexuality is already condemned, and getting married doesn't change the fact that they are homosexuals there would be no reason to condemn that also.

Finally someone who gets it. God doesn't have to mention that homosexual fornication is wrong if he has told you that fornication is wrong elsewhere.

God doesn't have to mention that homosexual marriage is wrong if He has exampled that His way is for a husband to unite with a WIFE from GEnesis to Revelation.

SOme are just trying to make things complicated because they want to do what they want to do.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,
Sure there is only God, only one God and only One true God, who we are showing you from the Bible. All you are doing is denying Him by denying who He is from the Bible. That’s why your god is demonstrably diffferent

let me stop you there. We are showing you what the Bible says, not what the Bible doesn’t say.
No you read what it says. The Bible says what it says, whether I quote it to you or Mercyburst or others the passages say the same thing and the ones we have cited exclude same-sex sex and condemn it. You are at liberty to say you don’t believe the Bible, but you aren’t at liberty to say the Bible doesn’t say what it says.

Nope I am asking for Bible quotations that support your beliefs.
The Bible isnt silent on same-sex marriage the Bible says marriage is man and woman, which means there is no same-sex marriage.

You are interpreting what the Bible doesn't say to mean what you think it should say.

The Bible is entirely silent on same-sex marriage. There is no reference in the Bible to same-sex marriage at all. Citing references to opposite-sex marriage is NOT citing a reference to same-sex marriage, and Bible quotations about opposite-sex marriage are not condemnations of same-sex marriage.

You are interpreting the Bible's silence about same-sex marriage as condemnation of it. I am interpreting the Bible's silence about same-sex marriage as silence. We should not interpret silence about an institution as disapproval of an institution. Just as the Bible's silence about computers does not mean that the Bible condemns computers by not mentioning them, so the Bible's silence about same-sex marriage does not mean the Bible condemns same-sex marriage by not mentioning it.

The Bible is not a laundry list of what God approves and what God does not approve. There are many topics on which the Bible is silent. And that silence means....silence. It does not mean that God only approves that which happens to be mentioned in the Bible.

 

[Ubik]

Why can't I love without people freaking out? I want to get married and have a family more than anything but people just don't want me to be happy...

 

[Ohioprof]

Finally someone who gets it. God doesn't have to mention that homosexual fornication is wrong if he has told you that fornication is wrong elsewhere.

God doesn't have to mention that homosexual marriage is wrong if He has exampled that His way is for a husband to unite with a WIFE from GEnesis to Revelation.

SOme are just trying to make things complicated because they want to do what they want to do.

The problem with this post is that you assume that sexual intimacy within marriage is "fornication" if it's between a same-sex couple. You are defining same-sex relations as "fornication" because you reject same-sex marriage, and you reject same-sex marriage because you define it as "fornication." You are making a circular argument in support of your anti-gay position.

The Bible says nothing at all about same-sex marriage. To assume that same-sex marriage therefore cannot exist, and that same-sex relations within marriage are "fornication" is simply making a set of assumptions not supported by anything in the Bible.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why can't I love without people freaking out? I want to get married and have a family more than anything but people just don't want me to be happy...

I want you to be happy, my friend. And I support you whether you marry a spouse of the opposite sex or a spouse of the same sex. I will honor either marriage equally.

 

[Ohioprof]

Girl, why don't you just go ahead and admit that you've been given over to a reprobate mind and you don't care what God or His Word says?

I mean its obvious that you are your own god and that you think your opinion outweighs the Word of the God of Creation.

I have not been given over to a "reprobate mind." I have a thinking mind, which I thank God for giving me. So do you, but you are thinking in a little box, it seems, and refusing to consider ideas that don't fall within the box.