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It's a pity it commits the No True Scotsman fallacy.I'm not sure if that answers the question (it's a big question, too), but I do like this quote and I think it has some truth to it:
"if god wasn't righteous, the righteous would not care about god." -- meister eckhart
Well, how are you to verify that righteous people care about god, and by implication, that non-righteous people do not really care about god? How do you define righteousness? Do you define it as a subset (which subset, exactly?) of the attributes that people who care about god live their lives by? Why this group, and not that other group over there? Or do you define it as a subset of attributes that god has? Again, what about so-and-so god over there? And how do you determine which of god's attributes are righteous?how so? because god is by definition righteous, and righteousness defined by god? well I disagree with that. sure, maybe god implanted the sense for what I consider just or benevolent into me, but without my knowing -- therefore I can't help but *think* that is my own judgement. how would you be able to appreciate love, or that god is merciful? it responds to something in you, no matter how it got there, it's in you. maybe that's where "created in god's image" comes in.
It's a pity it commits the No True Scotsman fallacy.
direct passages from the Bible that proved that Jesus did indeed command us to keep to the OT laws
Especially given the total lack of evidence, Biblical or otherwise, to accept Paul above any of the other commentaries which are floating around but were not deemed suitable for the Bible.
Then I have a question: What if one were to honestly think about it, and decide that even if God existed, he'd prefer to live as he saw fit then to bow? I mean, he's not denying anything to make himself feel better; even if somebody proved God to him, he wouldn't change his ways. What would you say to that person?
just because we have X attribute, and just because god supposedly created us in his image, doesn't mean that god has X attribute), it would still fall down by virtue of the fact that not all people have the capacity to feel love, or be merciful, or feel righteous.
let's just say I read more than that quote of meister eckhart and I digged the guy.
Oh my. I suppose you think you have an actual basis for forming an opinion like that?
Are you familiar with Thomas Merton?
In what way?Wow is this ever wrong thinking!
Yes, how foolish of me to think that Christianity is in any way associated with critical thinking.What in the world could possibly possess you to think that has any relevance to Christianity?
I do get it. It's a pithy quote, and pithy quotes are useful in some ways. Just...not in this kind of way.holy crap! let's just say I read more than that quote of meister eckhart and I digged the guy. I'm not willing to explain what should be so obvious... "if you don't get it, ignore it". or try this: if god was unfair, fair people would not care about god.
yes, those are subjective terms. they also depend on our interpretation of ourselves and the world around us. but still... at worst that's a rather pointless statement. because they shouldn't, by definition or something. but I didn't expect the pedantic inquisition :/
I do get it. It's a pithy quote, and pithy quotes are useful in some ways. Just...not in this kind of way.
The only claims come from Paul himself
The bible tells you to stone your disobedient children to death
In what way?
Yes, how foolish of me to think that Christianity is in any way associated with critical thinking.
No, what I've just proven is that very few Christians have actually read the nonsense that they live their lives by. I'll quote it for you:razeontherock said:It does NOT!
You're attempting to wield a two-edged sword, while you're proving you should be trusted with nothing sharper than a rubber ball ...
Of course. The bible is full of many immoral ideas. The bible tells you to stone your disobedient children to death, that's moral? There are good things in the bible, as with any religion. But they're not good because they come from a magic invisible man or the bible, they're good because they're good. We use our sense of empathy as a basis for determining what is moral and immoral, not a magic invisible man in the sky.
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