in the case of your God, both of those conditions happen to be true (your God isnt present to your senses and you havent wholly perceived it in reality).
You made claims that Im asking you to justify.
believers are special or privileged in some way that allows only them to sense their God.
Sir, quit being obstinate and recognize the FACT that this is a loaded statement you wish to trap me with! I am NOT going down your road of false supposition here - these 6 words are patently blasphemous.
Do refrain. If you choose to understand another's POV, that requires listening, not projecting your false assumptions onto them.
It's called being born again. Do you know where your local Church is?
Its pretence all right, Ray, but not on my part. Your claims are not supported by fact. There is no sound reason to believe that religious believers are special or privileged in some way that allows only them to sense their God. There is no sound evidence or sound argument supporting the claim that such a faculty exists, unless you are talking about a sense of insecurity. I can see how that could cause people to believe there is a God watching over them, their prayers will be answered and they will never really die.And I've noted that you are completely wrong, and need to speak for yourself, from your own experience. (Something you continue to avoid, btw) All else is pretense.
Prove it, Ray. Prove beyond reasonable doubt that you have some faculty allowing you to perceive your God that others dont possess. Explain the sensory mechanism. Provide enough sound evidence and sound arguments to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this God you think you are sensing is even real.It's called being born again.
There is no sound reason to believe that religious believers are
I was born again. I still did not sense god. Please explain.
Forgive me if I confused you with somebody else, but I think we touched on this before, right? This just adds a bit of info for me. How can you reconcile your statement here with this:
"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)
Here you're saying you were born again, but didn't see the Kingdom? It seems one statement or the other has to be false, but I know basically nothing about what you went through. I'd be most curious to learn what makes you think you were born again; it's a rare opportunity to come across a testimony like yours, and I think there must be something significant to learn from it.
No, Ray, thats not all Im saying and you know it, but choose to ignore it. Im saying you are evading my requests, you havent provided a single shred of sound evidence or a single sound argument to support your nonsensical claims and Im asking you continually to provide that. Can you do that or are you just going to continue this evasive behaviour?Oh wait, you mean you're not a believer, and I am? Because that's all you're saying here.
Im saying you are evading my requests, you havent provided a single shred of sound evidence or a single sound argument to support your nonsensical claims and Im asking you continually to provide that. Can you do that or are you just going to continue this evasive behaviour?
You trot out the rhetoric of "evasive behavior," "ignoring it," "single shred of evidence," and "nonsensical claims" because you have failed in your quest to cause some kind of abyss experience in Christians or to make them apostasize on the spot.
The absolute and only answer you will accept is apostasization and/or renouncing of belief in God. It is disengenuous and smug to act like you would listen to other answers. When is your little denigration game going to end?
Every Christian does. It would appear you are not one, so then said evidence would not apply to you.
Im not asking Christians to renounce their beliefs. Im just asking them to show that their beliefs are reasonable. I will certainly listen to reasonable answers. I will stop asking the questions when Christians stop evading them and provide reasonable answers.The absolute and only answer you will accept is apostasization and/or renouncing of belief in God. It is disengenuous and smug to act like you would listen to other answers. When is your little denigration game going to end?
Can you provide any sound evidence or sound arguments to show that Christians are special or privileged in some way that allows only them to sense or communicate with their God?
I’m not asking Christians to renounce their beliefs. I’m just asking them to show that their beliefs are reasonable. I will certainly listen to reasonable answers.
3sigma said:I will stop asking the questions when Christians stop evading them and provide reasonable answers.
3sigma said:Can you provide any sound evidence or sound arguments to show that Christians are special or privileged in some way that allows only them to sense or communicate with their God? If so then please do. Explain the sensory or communication mechanism. Provide enough sound evidence and sound arguments to prove beyond reasonable doubt that this God you think you are sensing is real and that your communication with it is not simply your imagination.
3sigma said:I’m guessing that you are yet another Christian who will evade these questions or fail to provide reasonable answers.
Im guessing that you are yet another Christian who will evade these questions or fail to provide reasonable answers.
Funny word, that "reasonable." Something you can't understand, is not reasonable to you. Which in no way makes it unreasonable, nor any less true. And here we have it, that unless you are born again, you cannot even see the Kingdom of God; although it's still within your reach.
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