Does Modern Science Align with the Bible?

[Inquiring Christ's Mind]

So when God created the heavens and the earth it was all spiritual and not physical? Yet you argued that it was impossible for physcal plant life to grow on Day 3 without the rays of light and the warmth of the sun...which would mean physical...you're contradicting yourself.

 

[daq]

So when God created the heavens and the earth it was all spiritual and not physical? Yet you argued that it was impossible for physcal plant life to grow on Day 3 without the rays of light and the warmth of the sun...which would mean physical...you're contradicting yourself.

No, I am not contradicting myself, you didn't understand the argument. The things I mentioned not being possible according to a physical cosmos creation perspective are consistent with what has been shown that the scripture teaches: that Genesis 1 is not speaking or teaching about the physical creation of the cosmos and the earth. Study out the passages which have been referenced above herein and allow yourself to be taught by the Word of Elohim: for if not, again, it is not me or my understanding that you are rejecting in favor of your own physical minded paradigm.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Psalms 8:4-8 KJV
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: [Gen 1:26-28]
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; [Gen 1:26-28]
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. [Gen 1:26-28]

Hebrews 2:6-9 ASV
6 But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? [Psa 8:4]
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honor, [Psa 8:5] And didst set him over the works of thy hands: [Psa 8:6]
8 Thou didst put all things in subjection under his feet. [Psa 8:6] For in that he subjected all things unto him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to him.
9 But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every man.

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 ASV
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. [Gen 1:26-28]
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. [Gen 1:26-28, Psa 8:6] But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. [Gen 1:26-28]
28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

Continuing in the same passage:

1 Corinthians 15:35-47 ASV
35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?
36 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die:
37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not the body that shall be, but a bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other kind;
38 but God giveth it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. [Gen 2:7] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, [Gen 1:26-28] but that which is natural; [Gen 2:7] then that which is spiritual. [Gen 1:26-28]
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: [Gen 2:7] the second man is of heaven. [Gen 1:26-28]

The full understanding is Logos and that Logos is not my own.

 

[Inquiring Christ's Mind]

The problem is that people believe Genesis 1 must agree with science or science is wrong because, of course, their beliefs cannot be wrong. The error is shown by the fact that the same people believe the opening creation account must necessarily be speaking of the natural physical creation of the cosmos and the earth.

Who says these things must be so? The same who make the claim mentioned above and understand nearly all things in the scripture as natural and physical in meaning. And yet who among them can explain how there could be herbs, and plants, and trees, BEFORE there was a sun to beam its life-nurturing rays of light and warmth upon the earth? Can they explain how herbs and plants and trees can sprout and grow in the soil of the earth while the oceans and all water is frozen solid until "day four"? Of course they cannot: but science is wrong, just toss common sense out the window, and you too can be a true believer in (their interpretation of) the scripture.

No, I am not contradicting myself, you didn't understand the argument. The things I mentioned not being possible according to a physical cosmos creation perspective are consistent with what has been shown that the scripture teaches: that Genesis 1 is not speaking or teaching about the physical creation of the cosmos and the earth. Study out the passages which have been referenced above herein and allow yourself to be taught by the Word of Elohim: for if not, again, it is not me or my understanding that you are rejecting in favor of your own physical minded paradigm.

Genesis 2:7 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Psalms 8:4-8 KJV
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet: [Gen 1:26-28]
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field; [Gen 1:26-28]
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. [Gen 1:26-28]

Hebrews 2:6-9 ASV
6 But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? [Psa 8:4]
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honor, [Psa 8:5] And didst set him over the works of thy hands: [Psa 8:6]
8 Thou didst put all things in subjection under his feet. [Psa 8:6] For in that he subjected all things unto him, he left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we see not yet all things subjected to him.
9 But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every man.

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 ASV
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet. [Gen 1:26-28]
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. [Gen 1:26-28, Psa 8:6] But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him. [Gen 1:26-28]
28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

Continuing in the same passage:

1 Corinthians 15:35-47 ASV
35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?
36 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die:
37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not the body that shall be, but a bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other kind;
38 but God giveth it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. [Gen 2:7] The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, [Gen 1:26-28] but that which is natural; [Gen 2:7] then that which is spiritual. [Gen 1:26-28]
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: [Gen 2:7] the second man is of heaven. [Gen 1:26-28]

The full understanding is Logos and that Logos is not my own.

So when God created Adam from the earth and the animals in Genesis 1 you're saying that this was not physical earth? That's odd because Moses commands us to rest on the Sabbath because God created the world in 6 Days and rested on the 7th Day: this is a clear command to abstain from physical work. Even the act of creating is physical. Genesis 2 is simply a fuller account of Day 3 and Day 6 and not a separate creation account therefore the earthy came before the spiritual: Adam first and then Christ...you sound confused brother.

 

[daq]

...you sound confused brother.

And you sound just like the author of this thread.

 

[Inquiring Christ's Mind]

And you sound just like the author of this thread.

While I don't know the author of this thread personally that's a bit cowardice of you to take the liberty to insult a man who has now passed away...if I read his posts in Final Thoughts correctly.

 

[daq]

While I don't know the author of this thread personally that's a bit cowardice of you to take the liberty to insult a man who has now passed away...if I read his posts in Final Thoughts correctly.

Simply stating the obvious: you don't think I've read your other posts here? After all, his stated age was 34, born March 20 1988, and from San Fransisco. Your profile says you are also 34, born March 25 1988, and that you are also from San Fransisco. Moreover you joined here only eight days after he said he was dying in his final post. That's a pretty amazing set of coincidences: but the fact that you post and write just like him makes me wonder if you are not his twin brother or something, (although twins are not generally born five days apart). And it's not just your writing that is very similar but also your posting habits, for example, the giant screen shot jpeg from a phone, with red marker circling and highlighting a preferred text, as in the OP of one of your current threads, (here), is the same thing HP used to do, (for example, here). Did you read and vote in the sticky thread at the top of this board? I don't see any post there from you which would have surely been on or after your join date, Nov 20, 2022 or later, (last two pages of the thread).

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[Inquiring Christ's Mind]

Simply stating the obvious: you don't think I've read your other posts here? After all, his stated age was 34, born March 20 1988, and from San Fransisco. Your profile says you are also 34, born March 25 1988, and that you are also from San Fransisco. Moreover you joined here only eight days after he said he was dying in his final post. That's a pretty amazing set of coincidences: but the fact that you post and write just like him makes me wonder if you are not his twin brother or something, (although twins are not generally born five days apart). And it's not just your writing that is very similar but also your posting habits, for example, the giant screen shot jpeg from a phone, with red marker circling and highlighting a preferred text, as in the OP of one of your current threads, (here), is the same thing HP used to do, (for example, here). Did you read and vote in the sticky thread at the top of this board? I don't see any post there from you which would have surely been on or after your join date, Nov 20, 2022 or later, (last two pages of the thread).

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Ah so you remain unapologetic...well don't want to deal with you any longer. As for your highly speculative comment about births...if you looked at the UN data about 385,000 babies are born each day , and this figure will remain stable from 2020 to 2070. So it's actually not unlikely for babies to be born in the same day of the same month of the same year, or even days apart.

 

[daq]

Ah so you remain unapologetic...well don't want to deal with you any longer. As for your highly speculative comment about births...if you looked at the UN data about 385,000 babies are born each day , and this figure will remain stable from 2020 to 2070. So it's actually not unlikely for babies to be born in the same day of the same month of the same year, or even days apart.

You spoke your mind about me and said that you think I sound confused.
I simply returned the favor and told you what I was thinking about you.

Previous Page, Reply#286, Humble Penny, in response to one of my posts:

You sound confused...

 

[Aaron112]

If there is a natural body: there is also a spiritual, but the natural comes first, not the spiritual.

Yahweh, Elohim, Creator, Almighty, IS spirit.
No body.
No substance natural , no form, no parts, simply spirit, as He Says.

 

[daq]

Yahweh, Elohim, Creator, Almighty, IS spirit.
No body.
No substance natural , no form, no parts, simply spirit, as He Says.

We agree: but that is not what Paul means in what I quoted there anyway. He says exactly what I posted in the first half of what you quoted. You can see it in Reply #302 above, in the quote from 1 Cor 15:44, but that statement would need to be reversed if it were to include the Father: for he says first, "If there is a natural body", and that therefore immediately excludes the Father, who is Spirit.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Modern science works hard on its denial of God's existence no matter where is blooms.

Then why are using a computer which science gave us?

 

[Aaron112]

Modern science works hard on its denial of God's existence no matter where is blooms.

That's seems not perfectly true, although overall it is true. It /maybe/ claims to encompass all scientists today, and some wonderfully reveal God's existence instead of trying to deny it. Science, "modern" or not, that is of and from the world, naturally denies God. That is true as the world is opposed to God.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That's seems not perfectly true, although overall it is true. It /maybe/ claims to encompass all scientists today, and some wonderfully reveal God's existence instead of trying to deny it. Science, "modern" or not, that is of and from the world, naturally denies God. That is true as the world is opposed to God.

Science is nothing more than "the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained."

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