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So you are arguing that God's might and his determination of what is right are independent. Do you support this argument with faith, personal revelation, Scripture, or some other means?
So you are arguing that God's might and his determination of what is right are independent. Do you support this argument with faith, personal revelation, Scripture, or some other means?
That's semantically self contradictory. (A polite way of saying nonsense.)I would say that God’s determination of what is right is not arbitrary. It’s based on his unchanging character. He does not arbitrarily determine good and evil and then enforce an arbitrary or capricious determination by his power.
That's semantically self contradictory. (A polite way of saying nonsense.)
I never said his determination of what is right was arbitrary. Quite the reverse. Of course it would be based on his character. That's the point. The identification of right and wrong arose from his character and was imposed by his character. Might determined Right.
I would not put it like that because it sounds misleading. Usually when we say “might makes right” we mean that “right” is determined only by power. But in this case “right” is determined by God’s character. If that fits into your understanding of “might makes right” then fair enough. But I wouldn’t use that terminology.
I did put it like that because it sounded accurate and precise.I would not put it like that because it sounds misleading.
That may be what you mean. I take it to mean that those with power have the ability to defined what is right. It would be similar to the phrase "history is written by the victors".Usually when we say “might makes right” we mean that “right” is determined only by power.
Certainly. No dispute. And his right is imposed by his might. The two are inseperable.But in this case “right” is determined by God’s character.
You never asked me about how I would put it. That is also how I would put it.... Now that we have clarified 'proper terminology', care to engage now?
I answered your above concern, in post #38, and even referenced you.
And we are already aware of [your] terminology:
Post #29:
"If you disagree with the righteousness of God’s commands then you are in the wrong in some way. You’re either misinformed, misunderstanding, or perhaps simply morally corrupt. There could be no truly sound reasoning against God’s commands because they are most reasonable and wise."
I asked a follow up question. One for which you completely ignored. Though this is your right, I find this rather poor 'apologetics', if the the apologisti here is to defend their faith - which you look to do only when it is convenient.
I would like to discuss post #29. I will ask you again, using differing 'terminology'.
Why should we trust what is asserted in the Bible, verses any other opposing book of claims, which also makes the same claims to exclusivity about 'god'?
I did put it like that because it sounded accurate and precise.
That may be what you mean. I take it to mean that those with power have the ability to defined what is right. It would be similar to the phrase "history is written by the victors".
Certainly. No dispute. And his right is imposed by his might. The two are inseperable.
As far as moral norms are concerned, there is a happy agreement between nearly all religious texts on the basics. Everyone agrees that murder is wrong, for example. No need to get into the uniqueness of the Bible here.
God’s commands are wise, true, and good.
Furthermore, you do not need any holy book, to come to the basic conclusions about murder, theft, trespassing?
Then you’re wrong.And if this poster disagrees?
No the Bible itself says that the Bible is not strictly necessary in order to determine basic moral truths.
Then why bring up 'moral norms'? You state that if I disagree with anything God is said to say, I must be wrong.
I gladly admit I concur with "don't murder, don't steal, don't trespass."
But what about ALL the other assertions, which are unique or exclusive to Christianity?
I thought this thread was about moral norms. I’m confused because you seem to be trying to make it about the Bible.
Yeah but that’s only true because no other entity is able to take control of reality. And that’s because God has the biggest metaphysical stick.Rather than "might makes right", I propose that "the creator defines what is right within that creation".
What about ALL the other assertions, which are unique or exclusive to Christianity?
Emphasis added.Fair enough, but even when we say that history is written by the victors, we imply that it may not be totally accurate. It’s sympathetic to the victors. That’s what I want to avoid here. God’s commands are wise, true, and good.
Thanks.Emphasis added.
That's precisely what I don't want to avoid and what I recognise is, for you, important, perhaps vital to avoid. But I'll avoid it here if it makes you uncomfortable. Your choice.
Completely untrue. Economics is based on people and people are not rational actors.Economics are objective.
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