Does Matthew 24 Recapitulate?

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Right now, the focus in on the meaning of "immediately following the tribulation of those days..." of Matthew 24:29 down at the bottom, which Matthew 24:29 describes the sixth seal event.

I'v asked before and still no answer.. How long do you say "immediately" is to God?
100 years?
50?
10?
5?

If 2000 years is "shortly" to God, then 100 years should qualify as Immediately to Him, no?
 
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Douggg said:
Same type of language, yes. Same event, no. Similar to the
abomination that makes desolate in Daniel 11, attributed to Antiochus. Versus, the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12:11-12, end times.
What will I do? I will remind you that before Matthew 24:16 there is Matthew 24:14-15.
Are you saying that every time the word "end" is found in the Bible, it is referring to the Second Coming of Christ?

Mat 11:1 And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.

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Hello BAB..There are many forms of the Greek word #g5056.

The forms used in Matt 24 and Mark 13 are shown below:
I also have a thread concerning those verses:

Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"/

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end/consummation<synteleia 4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully-consummated<synteleō 4931>.

4930. sun-teleia from 4931;
entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation):--end.
4931. sun-teleo from 4862 and 5055;
to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.
4862. sun a primary preposition
denoting union; with or together (but much closer than 3326 or 3844), i.e. by association............
5055. teleo from 5056;
to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.
5056. telos from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act
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Heb 9:26
since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world,
but now once, at the full end<synteleia 4930> of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested;
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Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

The KJV translates Strong's G5055 in the following manner: finish (8x), fulfil (7x), accomplish (4x), pay (2x), perform (1x), expire (1x), miscellaneous (3x).
G5055 τελέω (teleō), occurs 30 times in 26 verses

Greek word #G5055 8 verses Revelation:

Rev 10:7

but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Rev 11:7

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 15:1

Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.

Rev 15:8

The temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from His power, and no one was able to enter the temple till the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Rev 17:17

“For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

Rev 20:3

and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Rev 20:5

But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:7

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
 
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Are you saying that every time the word "end" is found in the Bible, it is referring to the Second Coming of Christ?

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No, I am not. But look at the question, the disciples asked at the beginning of Matthew 24.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus answered them regarding the sign of His coming, in Matthew 24:30. And the end of the age, the world as they knew it.
 
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No, I am not. But look at the question, the disciples asked at the beginning of Matthew 24.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Jesus answered them regarding the sign of His coming, in Matthew 24:30. And the end of the age, the world as they knew it.

Is the first question in Matthew 24:3 about the destruction of the temple?



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

It is the second question that is answered in Matthew 24:29-31.

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Is the first question in Matthew 24:3 about the destruction of the temple?



Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

It is the second question that is answered in Matthew 24:29-31.

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You are ignoring Daniel 12:4 and Daniel 12:11-12 which Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:15.
 
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You are ignoring Daniel 12:4 and Daniel 12:11-12 which Jesus referred to in Matthew 24:15.

The verse below reveals that the Jews of Jesus time would have understood the reference in Matthew 24:15, because they celebrated Hanukkah every year. (Let the reader understand.)

Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

What did Josephus say below about the feast in this verse?


From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards

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The verse below reveals that the Jews of Jesus time would have understood the reference in Matthew 24:15, because they celebrated Hanukkah every year. (Let the reader understand.)
No, they would not. The abomination of desolation, the image of the beast, will come to life and speak, a seemingly miracle by the false prophet. This was not revealed until John received Revelation, long after Jesus's first coming.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
 
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The term "the abomination of desolation" is not found in the Book of Revelation.

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So? Antiochus placing a statue image of Zeus in the temple prefigured what the abomination of desolation with be. The statue image of Zeus, however, did not come alive or speak. So anyone celebrating Hanukkah at the time of Jesus's first coming would have had no idea that the end times AoD would come alive and speak.

The image of the beast in Revelation is a significant figure.

Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

There went your argument that Matthew 24:15 is not end times.

Plus, you are ignoring Daniel 12:4, Daniel 12:11-12. No partial preterist ever brings up Daniel 12:4 to promote their view. Because it invalidates the partial preterist view.
 
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I will say it again...

The phrase "the abomination of desolation" is not in the Book of Revelation.


We know Matthew 25:15 is not about the time near the Second Coming, because Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21, are parallel passages.

You are forcing your interpretation on the Bible in order to make your man-made chart work.

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I will say it again...

The phrase "the abomination of desolation" is not in the Book of Revelation.

We know Matthew 25:15 is not about the time near the Second Coming, because Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21, are parallel passages.
You are forcing your interpretation on the Bible in order to make your man-made chart work.
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Yes, how convenient for Dispensationalist Futurists............

Luke 21 doesn't mention it either............
Have you and/or others seen my thread concerning that?
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Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation

Where in Revelation is shown the AoD mentioned in Daniel, Matthew and Mark?
Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks

IN Daniel, we have this shown:

Daniel 12:11
And-from-time he-is-taken-away the-continually, and-to-give-of an-abomination, one-desolating, thousand, two hundreds, and ninety days

It is repeated twice in the Olivet Discourse:

Matthew 24:15
Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the prophet, having-stood in a place, holy
(the one-reading let him be minding/understanding)

Mark 13:14
`Whenever yet ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the prophet, having-stood where not it is binding,
(the one-reading let him be minding/understanding),
then those in the Judea, let them be fleeing into the mountains

However, Luke does not mention it in his Gospel, but he does mention this:

Luke 21:20
Whenever yet ye may perceiving/seeing Jerusalem being encompassed by armies/stratopedwn <4760>,
then be knowing that is nigh/egguV <1451> the desolating of Her...[Revelation 18:19]

John also uses the phrase "....the one reading...." that is used in Matt 24:15 and Mark 13:14:

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing, the Logos/Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it having been written,
for the season/time/kairoV <2540> is nigh/egguV <1451>.
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And this is shown in Luke 21:20, also of the Olivet Discourse:

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust upon their heads and cried-out, weeping and mourning, saying "Woe! Woe! the great City, wherein all were made rich, that had ships at sea, by reason of her prices.
That to one hour She was desolated/hrhmwqh <2049> (5681)
 
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Yes, how convenient for Dispensationalist Futurists............
That partial preterists never ever copy and paste Daniel 12:4 to prove their position of Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation.
 
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That partial preterists never ever copy and paste Daniel 12:4 to prove their position of Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation.
4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end<7093>: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

7093 qets contracted from 7112;
an extremity; adverbially (with prepositional prefix) after:--+ after, (utmost) border, end, (in-)finite, X process. [7112 qatsats kaw-tsats' a primitive root; to chop off (literally or figuratively):--cut (asunder, in pieces, in sunder, off), X utmost. ]

If the Jews read Revelation, they would see this was fulfilled for them already

Eze 7:2
“And you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD to the land of Israel:
‘An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land. [4 corners could symbolize a building, such as 1st century Herod's Temple]
Rev 7:1
And after these things I saw four messengers, standing upon the four corners of the land, holding the four winds of the land, that the wind may not blow upon the land, nor upon the sea, nor upon any tree;
Rev 20:8
and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the land -- Gog and Magog -- to gather them together to war, of whom the number is as the sand of the sea;

Isa 10:22
For though your people, O Israel, be as the sand of the sea, A remnant of them will return;

The destruction decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Rom 9:27
Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:[fn]
Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved.



Eze 7:3
Now the end has come upon you,
And I will send My anger against you;
I will judge you according to your ways,
And I will repay you for all your abominations.
Eze 7:6
An end has come, The end has come;
It has dawned for you; Behold, it has come!
Eze 21:25
‘Now to you, O profane, wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose iniquity shall end,
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I was going to list those OT passages on this new thread I created concerning "the end of what" thread.......

Matt 24:6 "...but not as yet the END" End of what?


Matthew 24:6
“Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Mark 13:7
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tidings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Luke 21:9
“Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>

5056. from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid):--+ continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare 5411.
G5056 τέλος (telos) occurs 42 times in 41 verses

 
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I will say it again...

The phrase "the abomination of desolation" is not in the Book of Revelation.
There are plenty of end time concepts that are not written out in identical words in the Revelation, but are there, like the little horn person, and the revealed man of sin, and the Sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
We know Matthew 25:15 is not about the time near the Second Coming, because Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21, are parallel passages.
Matthew 24:16, not Matthew 24:15, has similarity. The abomination of desolation is not in Luke 21:20-21. Nor is the reference to Daniel the prophet's writings are not in Luke 21:20-21.

The only thing similar is the course of action to take.
You are forcing your interpretation on the Bible in order to make your man-made chart work.
Quiet the opposite, you are reading into the text of Luke 21:20-21, the abomination of desolation and reference to Daniel the prophets writings - which partial preterists never ever use Daniel 12:4 to promote their "man-made" position.


 
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4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end<7093>: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
.... it is the running to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. That disqualifies the partial pertist view of when the abomination of desolation takes place. Which is why no preterist never ever initiates the passage as part of their argument regarding when the Matthew 24:15 event takes place.

The only time a partial preterist will mention Daniel 12:4 is if someone else brings the passage up - and the partial preterist seeks to defend the partial preterist position. ....and can't because it obvious that many running to and fro, and knowledge increased is talking about our times.
 
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Quiet the opposite, you are reading into the text of Luke 21:20-21, the abomination of desolation and reference to Daniel the prophets writings - which partial preterists never ever use Daniel 12:4 to promote their "man-made" position.
You can't broad brush Preterism with 1 brush.
There are a plethora of Preterist views, from both Partial and Full..........It seems that Partial Preterism is stuck in the middle of the road between Futurism and Full Preterism......[I am leaning more and more to full fulfillment, but not quite there yet].

A few links to preterist discussions on Daniel 12 for your perusal:

Daniel Chapter 12: A Preterist Commentary - Revelation Revolution


Daniel Chaptr 12:4: A Preterist Commentary: The Scroll Sealed in v. 4 is the same Scroll opened in Revelation. Therefore, Revelation must have been written during “the Time of the End.”
Here Daniel reveals the source of his revelations: a heavenly scroll. The scroll sealed in this v. is the same scroll opened by the Lamb at the beginning of Revelation. This fact helps explain the similar symbolism, content and writing style shared in these two books. According to v. 4, this scroll is to remain sealed until “the time of the end.” If it is true that both prophets received their information from the same heavenly scroll, it can then be concluded that the Book of Revelation was written during the end time.

The increase in knowledge predicted in v. 4 to a large extent is due to the unsealing of the information on the scroll sealed in this verse. The increase in knowledge at the end of the age may also be said to be fulfilled in Romans 16:25-26, Ephesians 3:3-5 and Ephesians 3:9-10.

5Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?” 7The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time.
When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”


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A Full Preterist Response to Kenneth Gentry’s Articles: DANIEL 12, TRIBULATION, AND RESURRECTION and ACTS 24:15 AND THE ALLEGED NEARNESS OF THE RESURRECTION | fullpreterism.com

In a nut shell, that is the full preterist view on the judgment and resurrection of the living and dead between AD 30 – AD 70.
The only difference between progressive partial preterists and full preterists at this point is that full preterists do not go beyond what is written and make up an additional “already/becoming/not yet” eschaton beyond AD 70 which allegedly involves a casket resurrection at the end of history – to appease the creeds and or creedal supporters and publishers.


Conclusion

If no written or printed response is forthcoming from Mr. Gentry and his co-authors of WSTTB? to our second edition of HD, then I will conclude with Gary North’s kind of logic in these matters and that this debate is over because no consistent exegetical one can be given.
I wanted to express my sincere appreciation to the work that Mr. Gentry and his co-authors and anti-full preterist associates have done thus far in demonstrating what full preterists have been saying all along: the “one” Second Coming or “THE parousia” of Christ attended with the one judgment and resurrection of the living and dead was a process from AD 30 to AD 70 for Israel coming out of her old covenant world/body and into the her new covenant world/body, was spiritual, corporate, resulting in the souls of men such as Daniel (Daniel 12:13) being raised out of Hades or Abraham’s Bosom to close the old covenant age in AD 70.

This article has proven that progressive partial preterists have indeed “given the farm away” to full preterism when it comes to the judgment and resurrection of the dead. This used to be the defining difference between the two views, but as we have seen Gentry and his progressive partial preterist associates have only stolen our AD 70 judgment and resurrection view of the living and dead (w/out giving us credit) and simply asserted with no exegetical evidence that such passages as John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15YLT; 1 Corinthians 15; and Revelation 20 teach two fulfillments or that a biological resurrection at the end of time is present in any of these passages.

Gentry co-authored a book entitled, HOUSE DIVIDED THE BREAK-UP OF DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY in which he and others demonstrated that progressive dispensationalists have given the farm away to covenant theology/eschatology and thus there remains nothing left to dispensationalism. They must accept that their house is falling apart and cannot stand or accept covenant theology/eschatology. Gentry is now on the receiving end of this kind of logic. Our “House Divided” book has demonstrated without a shadow of doubt that progressive partial preterists such as Gentry, DeMar, McDurmon and Mathison combined with the classical amillennial and creedal views form full preterism and they can either accept this or watch their house continue to fall at the feet of full preterism.
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Daniel 12 — The Book of Daniel in Preterist Perspective

4. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Shut up the words, and seal the book — Daniel is commanded to seal the book of his prophecy until the time when it will be fulfilled. Compare this commandment with the commandment of the angel in Revelation: “And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand” (Revelation 22:10).

The time of the end — The time when these prophecies shall be fulfilled.

5. Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7. And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9. And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The abomination that maketh desolate — Jesus refers to this in Matthew 24:15,16, “When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)” – “whoso readeth” is a reference to Daniel 12:11.

Luke 21:20 further defines the nature of “the abomination that maketh desolate” – “And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” According to Luke’s parallel passage, the presence of the Roman armies is what made the Temple sacrifices “desolate.”

Thousand two hundred and ninety days — This is roughly three-and-a-half years. This refers to the Roman-Jewish War and the Siege of Jerusalem from spring of AD 67 to the destruction of the Temple in September of 70. Ve
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You can't broad brush Preterism with 1 brush.
There are a plethora of Preterist views, from both Partial and Full..........It seems that Partial Preterism is stuck in the middle of the road between Futurism and Full Preterism......
Don't partial preterists do that with futurists - calling all futurists dispensationalists?
 
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Why would you call the almost exact same phrase of the second verse "similarity"?

Why would you ignore the same words that are in the first verse of each passage?

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

No unbiased witness would ever deny that the two passages are parallel.
However, you are not unbiased, because you are trying to make your chart work.


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Don't partial preterists do that with futurists - calling all futurists dispensationalists?
It would appear so.......I fought against Dispensationalism for over 10yrs and then saw that there is just as much confusion in the Preterism ranks as there is in the Futurism camp, especially within Partial Preterism.
It almost makes want to turn back to Full Preterism..........
 
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Daniel Chaptr 12:4: A Preterist Commentary: The Scroll Sealed in v. 4 is the same Scroll opened in Revelation. Therefore, Revelation must have been written during “the Time of the End.”
Here Daniel reveals the source of his revelations: a heavenly scroll. The scroll sealed in this v. is the same scroll opened by the Lamb at the beginning of Revelation
No, the understanding is sealed until the time of the end.

Which in Revelation 13 has the Abomination of Desolation as the image of the beast made, and by seemingly miracle it comes to life and speaks. Nothing like that has taken place in the first century.
 
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