Does Jesus Forgive Murder?

[Lord'sWarrior]

If Jesus forgives murder, why does Paul and John in the Revelation say that murders won't have a place in God's Kingdom?

 

[friend of]

I think it implies the unrepentant murderers. It also says cowards won't enter God's kingdom either. There are more cowards than murderers.

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

I think it implies the unrepentant murderers. It also says cowards won't enter God's kingdom either. There are more cowards than murderers.

Thanks. Appreciate the reply.

 

[Serving Zion]

If Jesus forgives murder

.. I have no idea what has led you to think this.. can you please explain?

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

.. I have no idea what has led you to think this.. can you please explain?

To think what? Jesus forgiving murder?

 

[Lord'sWarrior]

.. I have no idea what has led you to think this.. can you please explain?

Because it's a grave offense and it seemed contradictory with the other scripture that I mentioned.

 

[Valetic]

.. I have no idea what has led you to think this.. can you please explain?

Saul was a great reason many of the Christians after Jesus left were murdered. But on the road to Damascus God forgave him and used him as God's mouthpiece. So there's obviously something to this repentance business..

 

[ChristianR_]

Matthew 12:31
"Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven."

 

[com7fy8]

While they were murdering Jesus on the cross, Jesus prayed >

"'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.'" (Luke 23:34)

A problem is, though, they did not all receive the forgiveness. However, in His heart Jesus already had forgiven them, by desiring on the cross that all of us would be reconciled with God and forgiven. By desiring this, Jesus already had done this, on the cross.

But if ones do not repent, they are staying away from the forgiveness which lives in God's love. So, He does not only, really, forgive a murderer, but He has forgiveness living and always ready in His love for a murderer; but the murderer needs to join in God's love and loving, in order to enjoy and benefit from the forgiveness which is in this all-loving generously and freely forgiving love.

And this is our example > Ephesians 4:31-5:2 < required of us > Mark 11:25. With God, we too need to have hope for any wicked person, at all, like how Jesus so suffered and died on the cross with hope for any and all of us > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

I notice how Jesus on the cross prayed the forgiveness, and then was when one of those criminals hanging next to Jesus trusted in Christ > please see Luke 23:32-43.

And, by the way, Matthew 27:44 says both criminals were bad-mouthing Jesus. So, I can see how Jesus prayed forgiveness for them while both were bad-mouthing Christ; and then one was effected by the prayer so he stood up for Jesus and trusted Him to save him.

Plus, we see how Jesus prayed for Peter even before Peter denied Jesus three times > please see and feed on Luke 22:31-34. Here, we see how Jesus had already prayed for Peter before Peter denied Jesus three times. And I see that Jesus expects His prayer to bring Peter back to Him, plus how Peter then with new strength will be able to strengthen His brothers and sisters, and not only have enough strength for his own self!!!

So, Jesus had Peter covered with prayer even before Peter sinned. And Jesus is our example required of us > Ephesians 5:2, Galatians 2:20.

So, this is how we need to be with murderers > have hope in prayer for them, with forgiveness ready and hope that they will not only change but become able to strengthen others in how Jesus is and how God's love has us relating and caring. Our Apostle Paul does say to pray for "all men" and "all who are in authority" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4. So, I am satisfied this means to have hope in caring prayer for any and all murderous leaders and others.

 

[Serving Zion]

Saul was a great reason many of the Christians after Jesus left were murdered. But on the road to Damascus God forgave him and used him as God's mouthpiece. So there's obviously something to this repentance business..

.. Indeed there is! (John 15:22, Matthew 25:40). Thank you for the example, I shall give consideration to it.

 

[exitstageright]

Because it's a grave offense and it seemed contradictory with the other scripture that I mentioned.

God also forgave King David. King David was an adulterer , and a murderer.

 

[exitstageright]

While they were murdering Jesus on the cross, Jesus prayed >

"'Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.'" (Luke 23:34)

A problem is, though, they did not all receive the forgiveness. However, in His heart Jesus already had forgiven them, by desiring on the cross that all of us would be reconciled with God and forgiven. By desiring this, Jesus already had done this, on the cross.

But if ones do not repent, they are staying away from the forgiveness which lives in God's love. So, He does not only, really, forgive a murderer, but He has forgiveness living and always ready in His love for a murderer; but the murderer needs to join in God's love and loving, in order to enjoy and benefit from the forgiveness which is in this all-loving generously and freely forgiving love.

And this is our example > Ephesians 4:31-5:2 < required of us > Mark 11:25. With God, we too need to have hope for any wicked person, at all, like how Jesus so suffered and died on the cross with hope for any and all of us > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7).

I notice how Jesus on the cross prayed the forgiveness, and then was when one of those criminals hanging next to Jesus trusted in Christ > please see Luke 23:32-43.

And, by the way, Matthew 27:44 says both criminals were bad-mouthing Jesus. So, I can see how Jesus prayed forgiveness for them while both were bad-mouthing Christ; and then one was effected by the prayer so he stood up for Jesus and trusted Him to save him.

Plus, we see how Jesus prayed for Peter even before Peter denied Jesus three times > please see and feed on Luke 22:31-34. Here, we see how Jesus had already prayed for Peter before Peter denied Jesus three times. And I see that Jesus expects His prayer to bring Peter back to Him, plus how Peter then with new strength will be able to strengthen His brothers and sisters, and not only have enough strength for his own self!!!

So, Jesus had Peter covered with prayer even before Peter sinned. And Jesus is our example required of us > Ephesians 5:2, Galatians 2:20.

So, this is how we need to be with murderers > have hope in prayer for them, with forgiveness ready and hope that they will not only change but become able to strengthen others in how Jesus is and how God's love has us relating and caring. Our Apostle Paul does say to pray for "all men" and "all who are in authority" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4. So, I am satisfied this means to have hope in caring prayer for any and all murderous leaders and others.

Is it not a shame that Judas,instead of killing himself,did not ask Jesus to forgive him? Jesus forgave Peter. And,Peter had denied him.Jesus would have forgiven Judas. If Judas had asked for forgiveness.

 

[Serving Zion]

God also forgave King David. King David was an adulterer , and a murderer.

I don't know whether it is appropriate to say that King David was forgiven (2 Samuel 12:10-15).

 

[Serving Zion]

Is it not a shame that Judas,instead of killing himself,did not ask Jesus to forgive him? Jesus forgave Peter. And,Peter had denied him.Jesus would have forgiven Judas. If Judas had asked for forgiveness.

It is obviously easier said than done.

 

[exitstageright]

I don't know whether it is appropriate to say that King David was forgiven (2 Samuel 12:10-15).

One can be forgiven of a sin. But, that does not mean that one will not face the consequences of a particular sin.
For example,if I were to kill someone,and asked for forgiveness,God would still forgive me. But,I will still have to serve jail time for first degree murder.

 

[Mike Czaj]

I don't know whether it is appropriate to say that King David was forgiven (2 Samuel 12:10-15).

V.13 when David confesses his sin, Nathan says "The Lord has put away your sin." But there are consequences, the child will die.

 

[Serving Zion]

One can be forgiven of a sin. But, that does not mean that one will not face the consequences of a particular sin.
For example,if I were to kill someone,and asked for forgiveness,God would still forgive me. But,I will still have to serve jail time for first degree murder.

This is a very useful distinction! .. so we see that King David's contrition meant that God's anger was turned away so that he was not consumed by God's wrath (Hebrews 12:29), and yet He pronounced that there was judgement of a spiritual consequence insofaras a curse had come upon his household (Proverbs 17:13).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Is it not a shame that Judas,instead of killing himself,did not ask Jesus to forgive him? Jesus forgave Peter. And,Peter had denied him.Jesus would have forgiven Judas. If Judas had asked for forgiveness.

and thats the sin of all sin, that of unbelief.

When we get to thinking God cant do a thing we don't believe that He can and thus we don't repent, we don't ask forgiveness and then turn our backs on God.

Mark 9:23-24

Judas believed God had a "can't" where concerned forgiveness.

 

[Serving Zion]

Mark 9:23-24

Judas believed God had a "can't" where concerned forgiveness.

Blessed is he who is not led to stumble because of Me.
Luke 7:23 TLV

 

[Paidiske]

OP, did you mean to put this thread in the Anglican forum?