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No... you need an infinite amount of time to see infinite Glory.
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I thought they'd see an infinite amount of glory first.... and it is unclear whether you can see more glory than what already is infinite.
So what you're talking about involves a changing environment where it is clear that time is passing. You're talking about a specific number of bows that would have happened before God decided to create the universe. BTW I wonder if our sense of boredom is based on God's? Or does God not ever get bored?No... you need an infinite amount of time to see infinite Glory.
No there is no time in eternity.So what you're talking about involves a changing environment where it is clear that time is passing. You're talking about a specific number of bows that would have happened before God decided to create the universe. BTW I wonder if our sense of boredom is based on God's? Or does God not ever get bored?
Or does God not ever get bored?
There was no time before the universe was created, time was created. The concept didn’t exist there was nothing physical to be bound by it.Then perhaps it is compatible with the idea that God was around a limited amount of time (like zero time, or a short amount of time) then he created the universe... it just involves an appropriate interpretation of Psalms 90:2 ("from everlasting to everlasting you are God")
You said "...the 24 elders who bow eternally before the throne...". I was under the impression that they were bowing up and down repeatedly. Did you mean they were just in the bowing position eternally?No there is no time in eternity.
Or time just flows and operates and is much much different there, with no real "end" to it, etc, but just a continuation of it continually, etc, for eternity, etc, when we maybe even go to place that is eventually without time at all in any kind of way or shape and/or form at all, etc, after we have learned the true nature of ourselves and our own thoughts and feelings and ourselves and have learned some "control", or mastery of ourselves and them, etc... (including the nature of the subconscious, etc)...No there is no time in eternity.
We don't know if there is some kind of "time concept" in Heaven though, cause or since He created "the Heavens and the Earth", etc...?There was no time before the universe was created, time was created. The concept didn’t exist there was nothing physical to be bound by it.
If this universe was a game of the Sims then the world outside is the physical computer and the world around it. Note that in the Sims you can pause and speed up and slow down time.....An "outside" of this Universe is some kind of unknown 'place' (state of existence) with unknown qualities, not necessarily having any kind of 'time' in any sense we think of it. So....a lot was wrapped up there in the wording "before the Universe" that would usually lead to some seeming paradoxes, but those can come from just poorly chosen wording/assumptions.
Well I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible. All of my experiences of synchronicity involve the Bible or the meaning of life.
God was in communion with Jesus at least. Jesus would be doing the creating.
He enjoyed the company and decided that mankind would be a natural extension of himself.
It says God is a trinity to me.Well, but there is more. This God knew what his creation would end up doing, he knew he would have to kill many of them in a flood and then punish most of them for eternity in Hell (per the traditional Christian belief). And yet, he decided to push the "create" button anyways.
What does it say about that God, assuming he exists?
Put it another way, lets say you know with 100% certainty that the baby conceived tonight will have a major deformity. Would you try to change anything, and perhaps not conceive this very night? Perhaps wait until tomorrow? But God did press forward even knowing full well that his creation will end up doomed forever.
Yes, who knows which speculative analogies might (or might not) happen to partly align with some aspect (less than all) of how things are, and we don't know for sure of course.If this universe was a game of the Sims then the world outside is the physical computer and the world around it. Note that in the Sims you can pause and speed up and slow down time.
Excellent pointWe don't know if there is some kind of "time concept" in Heaven though, cause or since He created "the Heavens and the Earth", etc...?
But if there is a time concept in Heaven, I still think it would be much different than here, etc, we see it as a constant, and unchanging, and never flowing or going any differently in direction or directions, etc, backwards or forwards, etc, or any slower or faster, etc, etc, etc, but it might not be that way there, etc, but there might still be some kind of "time concept" or concept of time there, etc, just very much "different", etc...
Anyway,
God Bless!
Something had to be around forever since something does not come from pure nothing. Did time, space, energy and matter exist forever (matter could just come from energy), or was there also intelligence (God)? If you say no god then time, space, energy and matter created intelligence since you are an intelligent being. Human intelligence has created a form of intelligence, so super intelligence could easily make intelligent beings. The likely hold of you being the first intelligence coming from just space, time, energy and matter as compared to intelligence coming for space, time, mater, energy, and intelligence would be unbelievably unlikely, so how lucky are you?Who Made God?
Apparently God is unchanging and before the universe he was just alone... so how would God be able to tell if he was there a year, or a billion years or an eternity? Also I'm not sure if it would make sense if there was an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe. And there is the "first cause" argument - God created the universe - but what caused God to want to create the universe?
I guess being eternal without being created sounds more impressive but I think it makes a lot of sense to believe that God is a created AI that created the apparent simulation we're in:
Christianity and Computer Simulations?
It explains how God could have a perfect mind. I mean it's like how a computer can play a "perfect" game of noughts and crosses or connect four.
What I quoted above might conflict with my theory.
Well I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible.
so how would God be able to tell if he was there a year, or a billion years or an eternity? Also I'm not sure if it would make sense if there was an infinite amount of time before the creation of the universe.
JohnClay said:Apparently God is unchanging and before the universe he was just alone...
Sorry I was just stating my impression - I haven't fully read the Bible.That's not a fair characterization of Christian theology, that's more like your spin on it.
So does that mean that God could have only existed for a short amount of time (or no time) before he created the universe? I hope so so it is compatible with my ideas.It wouldn't. Christians believe God created time, also.
Many people never recognize this nor realize thisWell I've had experiences that give me the impression there is an intelligent force ("God") behind the Bible. All of my experiences of synchronicity involve the Bible or the meaning of life.
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