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Does Hebrews 3 and 4 do away with Sabbath?

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Hebrews 3:7-19 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness, where your fathers tested Me, proved Me, and saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, and said, `They always go astray in their heart, and they have not known My ways.' So I swore in My wrath, `They shall not enter My rest.' '' Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today,'' lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.'' For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Many people read these verses and equate them with the seventh day Sabbath. They use these verses to say we no longer have to obey the fourth commandments as it states to rememebr the seventh day to keep it holy. But is this what God is saying here? No it's not.

Let's continue.

Hebrews 4:1-11 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest,'' although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works''; and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest.'' Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today,'' after such a long time, as it has been said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts.'' For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience.

Here in these verses we have God using the finished work of creation as a picture of His finished work of dealing with sin as seen in righteousness by faith. He is not doing away with the fourth commandment or the seventh day Sabbath, but rather, He is using it as a picture of His finished work as seen in creation in light of His finished work as seen in dealing with sin and death.

The rest that God's people experience in the promised land was a rest from their enimies. We can equate that same rest to the rest we have from the power and penalty of sin through faith in Christ. But this is not nullifying the literal Sabbath day in the same way God uses marriage as a picture of our relationship with Him but this does not nullify literal marriage between a husband and wife.

When Joshua took God's people into the promised land they enter into God's rest. Did this mean they did not have to obey God's Law now?

Let's read.

Joshua 21:43-44 So the Lord gave to Israel all the land of which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they took possession of it and dwelt in it. The Lord gave them rest all around, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers. And not a man of all their enemies stood against them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand.

Notice the rest they received in the promise land, which was the rest that God had promised them. Did this rest do away with them having to keep God's Law?

Let's read.

Joshua 22:4-5 "And now the Lord your God has given rest to your brethren, as He promised them; now therefore, return and go to your tents and to the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the Lord gave you on the other side of the Jordan. "But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law which Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, to love the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to keep His commandments, to hold fast to Him, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul.''

We can see very clearly here that the rest God gave Joshua and the people is a different rest from the seventh day Sabbath as seen in the fourth commandment. Joshua and the people rested from having to continue to fight their enimies but they still had to keep the commandments of God. When we enter God's rest we rest in Christ from our enimies, which is the power of sin and Satan but we still keep the commandments of God in that rest.
 
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couldn't resist huh.... back to your topics of comfort, the law and the sabbath..... I am sure Victor will be by to check out the topic soon enough....

Those who have the Law written in their hearts and minds delight in the Law.
 
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Many people read these verses and equate them with the seventh day Sabbath.
Even your own observation isn't consistent with that contention.
We can see very clearly here that the rest God gave Joshua and the people is a different rest from the seventh day Sabbath as seen in the fourth commandment.
No kidding. The sabbath isn't even a subject touched upon in Hebrews 3 and 4. The subject of those chapters is a permanent rest that remained a promise yet to attain by those burdened with the sabbath for the previous 1500 years.
And yet instead of turning your attention to the commandments of God, you divert your affection to the first covenant. Instead of embracing God's rest that awaited those redeemed from the first covenant containing the sabbath, you appeal again to the temporal rest that was "made for man" as Mark 2:27 states. The conclusion you came to is nowhere supported by any of the texts you presented, and the narrative of Hebrews goes on later to take away the first covenant and all the ordinances that required burnt offerings that God has no pleasure in.
I am sure Victor will be by to check out the topic soon enough....
Did you notice that k4c forced a preclusion into a text that is silent about his topic?
 
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Did you notice that k4c forced a preclusion into a text that is silent about his topic?

yep.... that's the only way to make the text support the premise.... of course the irony is that he will say that his view on this particular issue is "biblical."
 
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The sabbath isn't even a subject touched upon in Hebrews 3 and 4. The subject of those chapters is a permanent rest that remained a promise yet to attain by those burdened with the sabbath for the previous 1500 years.

Burdened with the Sabbath? "If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words..." Isaiah 58:13. Even if you believe the Sabbath has been done away today, there was no time where God "burdened" His people with the Sabbath.

[snip what has unfortunately become a dead horse beaten to a bloody pulp.]
 
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You would have a fun time explaining that contention to those killed because they violated the sabbath during its tenure (Exodus 31:14) and to those responsible for the burnt offerings required to keep the sabbath holy (Numbers 28:9-10).

In another thread, BFA opined the SDA view of those who viewed the law as a shadow leading to a greater reality, but don't include that view to the sabbath for reasons that continue to elude me and probably him as well. Jesus stated that He offers something better than what the recipients of the sabbath had in Matthew 11:28: "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest". It would seem the Creator of the sabbath knew that it was a burden.
[snip what has unfortunately become a dead horse beaten to a bloody pulp.]
You seem to enjoy beating dead horses.
 
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You would have a fun time explaining that contention to those killed because they violated the sabbath during its tenure (Exodus 31:14) and to those responsible for the burnt offerings required to keep the sabbath holy (Numbers 28:9-10).

If God asks us to delight in the Sabbath, then any burdensomeness is a result of our not delighting in it. If we regard the Sabbath as a burden, that says something about how much delight we take in spending exclusive time with our God.

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[snip what has unfortunately become a dead horse beaten to a bloody pulp.]
You seem to enjoy beating dead horses.

Ummm, my brother...I addressed only something that you said that was fresh, for a change. Note that I have snipped the dead horse....again.
 
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The problem apparent here is three-fold.
  • You have replaced the Biblical sabbath with one no longer compliant with the law that ordained it.
  • Your "if" statement is answered in the negative when you fail to perceive the new covenant that replaced the tenure of the first.
  • An association of the sabbath with exclusive time with God is incognizant with Him being in us under the adoption we have in the new covenant. We have been given exclusive time with God every moment of every day.
Note that I have snipped the dead horse....again.
Calling the topic addressed in the thread's OP a "dead horse" is not discussion.
 
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Victor, I am not trying to discuss whether the Sabbath should be kept or not. I get it. You don't think we should be keeping the Sabbath. I hear you loud and clear. So can we leave that alone now? That subject has come to an impasse and won't benefit from further discussion. I'm talking about something else unconnected to whether you think it should be kept or not.

You said that the Sabbath was a burden. And I'm saying that it was not God's intention that it should be a burden. He said, rather, that it should be a delight. I hope you aren't saying that God is wrong and you are right.


Calling the topic addressed in the thread's OP a "dead horse" is not discussion.

Righto! I don't want to discuss it anymore.
 
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Actually, it appears to be your contention that you should comply with something other than the Biblical sabbath. Just what it is you want everyone else to keep hasn't been defined for this audience.
You said that the Sabbath was a burden. And I'm saying that it was not God's intention that it should be a burden. He said, rather, that it should be a delight. I hope you aren't saying that God is wrong and you are right.
Actually, Jesus was the One Who stated that He would provide a rest that the sabbath apparently didn't provide. And I have also noted that Biblical instructions such as "be perfect" and "call the sabbath a delight" are not issued to a people who were perfect or calling the sabbath a delight. Instructions such as these are not given to a people already in compliance, but only to those in need of correction. Isaiah 58:13 doesn't show God referring to the sabbath as a delight, but instructing others to call it a delight. That instruction existed only in the tenure of the first covenant that contained a sabbath, and I have yet to find a similar instruction applicable to the Christian dispensation.
Righto! I don't want to discuss it anymore.
You may consider your posts a diversion from the OP the thread introduced, and turn your efforts elsewhere.
 
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LAO: If God asks us to delight in the Sabbath,

This is a rather large "IF."

couldn't resist huh.... back to your topics of comfort, the law and the sabbath..... I am sure Victor will be by to check out the topic soon enough....

Are you a prophet?

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Does Hebrews 3 and 4 do away with Sabbath?
The FORM of sabbath keeping is done away
The SPIRIT of SABBATH remains.

Jesus words in...
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. KJV
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The FORM of sabbath keeping is done away
The SPIRIT of SABBATH remains.
"Spirit" can be used to convey one of two meanings. It can be used to describe a living spirit, or it can be used to convey the intent of the noun it is attached to. This would suggest the sabbath either has a living spirit or it has an intent to lead one to a conclusion the sabbath was designed to direct us to.

If the designed intent has performed its duty to lead us to its conclusion, then does the original noun the intent was attached to remain? Or, has that noun (the sabbath) been replaced by the conclusion (God's "My rest") it led us to?

At first reading, it would appear that the noun has been replaced, as you mentioned "the FORM of sabbath keeping is done away". I'm trying to follow your point here.
If the hour has come that we worship God in Spirit and in truth, does the periodic shadow remain?
 
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Sabbath, as commanded in Exodus 20 is a "you shall not...". It is a restraining command.

Circumcision, as given through Abram, is a restraining, a cutting off of activity command.

The Lord, our God, is teaching us the same lesson in resting from our own works and in circumcision of the heart.

Hebrews 3 and 4 are a review of the rebellion at Sinai. Yet it symbolizes the rebellion that is in the flesh of us all. We are not conscious of the height and depth of our stubbornness and rebelliousness against our Creator and Redeemer.

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