does hating people in the present mean your not saved or is it false works based entire sanctification

[Jacque_Pierre22]

If I said that I hate people such as family members, do you think the proper response should be that I'm not saved ? Well, that's how it is for me. If I complain about my life's problems whether health, job, family, people not caring about it or misunderstanding what I'm saying, all I ever hear is that I can't be saved if I hate people. The person who told this to me, to be specific actually said that no matter what happens, even if I had some rare condition, I should be joyful 24/7 and never be envious or hateful; the fact I admitted I hate people means I'm not saved. This sounds like some kind of weird "entire sanctification" doctrine, where the saved are basically sinless and live in a perpetual state of joy and only do very minor things wrong. This comes out in reflective Bible study questions where the worst thing they did that week is not "loving someone enough" and things of that nature. Is it possible someone can be so convinced they are saved, that they never see them hating other people or other sins, because they believe themselves to be so sanctified already (even at a young age like 25/35)?

 

[fhansen]

That kind of perfection may well be the ideal but won’t be fully attained in this messy life. But we need to shoot for it in any case. We’re on a journey, a good one on which we’re to grow in the virtue/righteousness God gives us as we turn to Him in faith. There are also twists and turns and wrong avenues along the way where people might fall into practicing false piety, etc, but either way He’s patient with us; we just need to be on board, with Him.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

If I said that I hate people such as family members, do you think the proper response should be that I'm not saved ? Well, that's how it is for me. If I complain about my life's problems whether health, job, family, people not caring about it or misunderstanding what I'm saying, all I ever hear is that I can't be saved if I hate people. The person who told this to me, to be specific actually said that no matter what happens, even if I had some rare condition, I should be joyful 24/7 and never be envious or hateful; the fact I admitted I hate people means I'm not saved. This sounds like some kind of weird "entire sanctification" doctrine, where the saved are basically sinless and live in a perpetual state of joy and only do very minor things wrong. This comes out in reflective Bible study questions where the worst thing they did that week is not "loving someone enough" and things of that nature. Is it possible someone can be so convinced they are saved, that they never see them hating other people or other sins, because they believe themselves to be so sanctified already (even at a young age like 25/35)?

Christians are given a promise, His indwelling of His Holy Spirit. Hate is not a fruit of His Holy Spirit, Love is. If one walks in His Holy Spirit one begins to take on a newness that includes more Love, compassion, understanding, faithfulness, joy, peace, self control etc. If one is not seeing any of these fruits then it is safe to say that there is a serious quenching of His Holy Spirit. This could lead to apostasy. Pray for His indwelling and be filled daily.
Be blessed.

 

[NBB]

If you hate people try to fix it as soon as possible, first if we don't forgive others, the grace of God can't work properly in us, the bible says we need to forgive if we want to be forgiven, also not forgiving is going to hamper your fellowship with God, and also poison your soul.

The bible also says who hates his brothers, is a 'murderer' and 'no murderer has part in the kingdom of God', so is serious stuff to hate someone, God has mercy and wants to help us get better and has lots of patience with us, so we shouldn't get desperate but try to fix things.

 

[Jacque_Pierre22]

the problem is how I see things. I do not believe anyone has the ability to determine whether they hate someone or not. To me, being ignored is being hated. Saying I should try not to hate is meaningless, I can believe that I don't hate someone, and still do. This is works based salvation. I obviously know the Bible verses about hate just as the famous ones in the NT. I also believe that being "disliked" by someone is the same as hate. Same with like vs love etc. one can totally ignore a schizo sister who lives far away, but believe themselves to be enlightened (Hebrews 6:4). People create these equivocal words in order to pretend they're good, when the vast majority are "hating their brother" in a Biblical sense, that verse is used in the same way as the one about merely looking a certain way at a woman with lust / adultery. The way I see it, is in Luke 18, the way this type of person talks just reminds me of that because this person is not beating his chest in repentance, he believes himself to be mostly sanctified. Maybe me saying that I hate someone is me recognizing my sinfulness as the tax collector in Luke 18, ever consider that?

 

[NBB]

the problem is how I see things. I do not believe anyone has the ability to determine whether they hate someone or not. To me, being ignored is being hated. Saying I should try not to hate is meaningless, I can believe that I don't hate someone, and still do. This is works based salvation. I obviously know the Bible verses about hate just as the famous ones in the NT. I also believe that being "disliked" by someone is the same as hate. Same with like vs love etc. one can totally ignore a schizo sister who lives far away, but believe themselves to be enlightened (Hebrews 6:4). People create these equivocal words in order to pretend they're good, when the vast majority are "hating their brother" in a Biblical sense, that verse is used in the same way as the one about merely looking a certain way at a woman with lust / adultery. The way I see it, is in Luke 18, the way this type of person talks just reminds me of that because this person is not beating his chest in repentance, he believes himself to be mostly sanctified. Maybe me saying that I hate someone is me recognizing my sinfulness as the tax collector in Luke 18, ever consider that?

Disliking someone, being irritated at, being angry at someone, is not the same as hating someone. If you hate someone you need to forgive them, or God can't work properly on you, and it's a sin.

 

[Jacque_Pierre22]

Disliking someone, being irritated at, being angry at someone, is not the same as hating someone. If you hate someone you need to forgive them, or God can't work properly on you, and it's a sin.

I disagree, those are all equivalent to hate, and still sins. anger leads to hate

James 1:20
"For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God."
Ephesians 4:26
"Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil."
proverbs 29:22
"A man of anger will stir strife, and the owner of anger, much transgression"
Colossians 3:8
But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

 

[NBB]

I disagree, those are all equivalent to hate, and still sins. anger leads to hate

James 1:20
"For the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God."
Ephesians 4:26
"Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil."
proverbs 29:22
"A man of anger will stir strife, and the owner of anger, much transgression"
Colossians 3:8
But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

Anger is not a sin, the problem can be what you do with it, "be angry, but do not sin" you need self control etc.

 

[Rescued One]

All of us fall short of perfection. The person you mentioned in the OP is not perfect. If we are Christians, we want to please Jesus. My favorite Bible verses:

Ephesians 4:31-32
31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and tenderhearted to one another, forgiving each

Read the whole chapter often and ask God to help you be the person He desires.

I like this:

Ephesians 4:1
1As a prisoner in the Lord, then, I urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling you have received: 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3and with diligence to preserve the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.

This was taught to Christians because we aren't automatically perfect. We are saved to do good works; salvation is a gift not a reward!

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