Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[corvus_corax]

How do you know God speaks of a literal mountain?

How do you know that he WASN'T?

Personally I know two ladies in my Church who were healed miraculously. One had a brain tumor and would get severe head aches ,blurred vision and other problems related as well. Many prayers were offered up on her part, then one day she came to Church and shared she believed she was healed, she felt better, normal. She went back to the doctor who did a bunch of tests including two scans of here head (he was sure the tumor was still there)..NOTHING...gone....15 years later, all is well. Another lady just recently was diagnosed with throat cancer, was scared and crying asking for prayer. The Elder who prayed for her placed his hand on her throat and felt a warm sensation pass threw his hand as he prayed. This lady left the next day to go to the hospital for treatment. She told the doctor when there that her throat wasn't hurting anymore. Guess what?
Even prior to this I have heard of many miracle healings, testimonies of such.

Unverifiable anecdotes are always entertaining.
And that's about all.
Even Benny Hinn has nothing but anecdotes to offer, despite all the video captures of the supposed "healings" performed by the laying on of hands.

Off course most are skeptics and like doubting Thomas have to see for themselfs to believe. Thats would be them spoken of in verse 25, others are spoken of in verse 29.

Yep, right up there with the Loch Ness Monster, Ghosts, and Flying Reptile Dragons (not to mention the Goat Sucker, the immortal Undead who depend on blood to exist, men who change into wolves, etc etc etc)

 

[dawiyd]

Personally I know two ladies in my Church who were healed miraculously. One had a brain tumor and would get severe head aches ,blurred vision and other problems related as well. Many prayers were offered up on her part, then one day she came to Church and shared she believed she was healed, she felt better, normal. She went back to the doctor who did a bunch of tests including two scans of here head (he was sure the tumor was still there)..NOTHING...gone....15 years later, all is well.

So what journal has her MD submitted her case for review and publication?

Another lady just recently was diagnosed with throat cancer, was scared and crying asking for prayer. The Elder who prayed for her placed his hand on her throat and felt a warm sensation pass threw his hand as he prayed. This lady left the next day to go to the hospital for treatment. She told the doctor when there that her throat wasn't hurting anymore. Guess what?
Even prior to this I have heard of many miracle healings, testimonies of such.

And again what journal has her MD submitted her case for review and publication?

 

[corvus_corax]

So what journal has her MD submitted her case for review and publication?
And again what journal has her MD submitted her case for review and publication?

None
We both know it.
His anecdotal stories mean little, if anything


~yawn~

 

[3sigma]

Do you really think your unbelief is going to affect our (evidence) belief?

I doubt it. I think your emotions, particularly fear and anxiety, override your reason so it would be a waste of time attempting to reason with you. I suspect you would continue to cling to your comforting beliefs no matter how little sound evidence you have to support them and probably even in the face of sound evidence contradicting them.

My mind is made up. I will follow the Lord ALL the days of my life.

And there we have it; intractable, absolute certainty that your God is real despite not having a single shred of sound, objective evidence to support that belief. There really is no reasoning with someone like this.

 

[3sigma]

Where the fire is not quenched and their worm does not die...

Ah yes, when reason and logic fail, resort to threats of eternal torture. What a charming fellow you are. Of course, I don’t suppose you could produce a single shred of sound, objective evidence to show that hell is real. No? I thought not. Your hollow threat is the last refuge of someone who has no justification for his ill-founded beliefs.

 

[Ellinas]

And there we have it; intractable, absolute certainty that your God is real despite not having a single shred of sound, objective evidence to support that belief. There really is no reasoning with someone like this.

Like I always say: "One cannot debate with faith for faith is not based on reason and it takes reason to debate"!

 

[Doveaman]

Faith or evidence? Make up your mind.

Our minds are already made up. Faith is the evidence.

 

[Doveaman]

Sorry, but terms like "proof" and "proven" make me uncomfortable.

This might explain why you are uncomfortable about God, because God has been "proven" and we have the "proof".

 

[3sigma]

Our minds are already made up.

I must remember this the next time some Christian complains I’m not being open minded.

 

[Ellinas]

Our minds are already made up. Faith is the evidence.

Then what are you doing in a debate?

 

[Ellinas]

This might explain why you are uncomfortable about God, because God has been "proven" and we have the "proof".

Please specify which of the many proven Gods you are referring to? After all if one God is proven to exist then automatically all the other Gods exist too. The proof is in your claim that Faith is proof. Thus anyone having faith in his God automatically makes that deity real!

Personally I prefer to stick to science. After all Science saves millions of lives every day while religion has yet to save one!

 

[Ellinas]

How do you know God speaks of a literal mountain?And if it was, I believe it would have to be in God's will to have it moved. Personally I know two ladies in my Church who were healed miraculously. One had a brain tumor and would get severe head aches ,blurred vision and other problems related as well. Many prayers were offered up on her part, then one day she came to Church and shared she believed she was healed, she felt better, normal. She went back to the doctor who did a bunch of tests including two scans of here head (he was sure the tumor was still there)..NOTHING...gone....15 years later, all is well. Another lady just recently was diagnosed with throat cancer, was scared and crying asking for prayer. The Elder who prayed for her placed his hand on her throat and felt a warm sensation pass threw his hand as he prayed. This lady left the next day to go to the hospital for treatment. She told the doctor when there that her throat wasn't hurting anymore.

I agree with you. I also saw with my own eyes someone disappear right in front of my eyes and appear in Jamaica. I believe he actually did this. His name is David Copperfield and you can also see his miracles too.

Tumours have been known to shrink without medical intervention. This has happened to people from all walks of life and all religions. Perhaps it has to do with the ability of the body to heal itself! After all Sharks cannot acquire cancer. Even if tumours are induced in them the tumours disappear within days without harm to the shark.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Our minds are already made up. Faith is the evidence.

This might explain why you are uncomfortable about God, because God has been "proven" and we have the "proof".

Is he proven, or do you have faith? The two are mutually exclusive: proof belies the need for faith, while faith is for those without proof (or even evidence).

 

[AV1611VET]

Selective literalism would probably disallow taking the mountain-moving passage literally.

Not hardly.

I use that passage to show that it takes more faith to believe in science than it does God.

Faith without works is dead, so scientists can (and have) literally moved mountains with their heavy earth-moving equipment.

 

[Ellinas]

Not hardly.

I use that passage to show that it takes more faith to believe in science than it does God.

No it takes study to understand science and it takes faith to understand God. Science and faith have nothing in common. In fact science works better without faith!

Why do creationists insist on mixing science with faith? It has been pointed out to them so many times that I am beginning to believe that they are purposely taunting non creationists. This is counter to the teachings of Jesus!

Sad that such people still exist today and sadder if they ever come to power!

 

[Doveaman]

Our minds are already made up.

I must remember this the next time some Christian complains I’m not being open minded.

Being open minded is to be open to correction or new ideas, but on this point - "Faith is the evidence" - I am correct, therefore there is no need for me to be open minded here since I have conclusive "proof" that I am absolutely right.
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Our minds are already made up. Faith is the evidence.

Then what are you doing in a debate?

Demonstrating that I am absolutely right.
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Is he proven, or do you have faith? The two are mutually exclusive: proof belies the need for faith, while faith is for those without proof (or even evidence).

As you guys like to claim, science is neither about "faith" or "proof", so anything based on "faith" and "proof" is outside the realm of science. So I can understand why a mind locked up within the realm of science would consider "faith" and "proof" as mutually exclusive. But, I assure you, we have both.

 

[Jnwaco]

Everyone has evidence, even the same evidence. Some just interpret it differently than others.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Everyone has evidence, even the same evidence. Some just interpret it differently than others.

Interpretation takes off where facts end. If the data states that a rock is 4.5 billion years old, then the universe is at least 4.5 billion years old; no amount of interpretation or religious belief will change that.

 

[Jnwaco]

Well, yes, but that wasn't the only evidence I was talking about.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

As you guys like to claim, science is neither about "faith" or "proof", so anything based on "faith" and "proof" is outside the realm of science. So I can understand why a mind locked up within the realm of science would consider "faith" and "proof" as mutually exclusive. But, I assure you, we have both.

So explain it to one who has a "mind locked up withing the realm of science" (as if that's a bad thing". What, to you, is faith? What, to you, is proof? In what do you have faith? For what do you have proof? And, finally, what exactly is your proof?