does god save all??

[Bluelion]

The Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, was a symbol of the choice that mankind could take. If they ate from the tree, their choice would lead to an evil world.

If they obeyed God, their choice would have led to a good world.

Just as the Tree of life was a symbol of Adam if he attained perfection.

right and if you take away evil you take away the choice.

 

[FredVB]

Psalm 33:15
he who forms the hearts of all, who considers everything they do

We have many many examples in the Bible where God replaces a man's heart, or even hardens it.

Answer me this: Why would God make someone He knows will never receive Him?

btw...I wonder if this is a troll thread :/

I think the original poster had serious issues, other posts from the poster can be checked, to see what I mean. From that though it is not clear where provocation was meant, or that it was speaking from personal dilemma.

Everyone has opportunity to respond to knowledge from God, which there always is on some level or another. Even animals have a knowledge of the Creator, indicated from scripture.

 

[Edgar44]

right and if you take away evil you take away the choice.

Still confused on that one.

Holiday to Florida, or holiday to Greece?

I have that choice, are you saying I'm evil because I can choose?

Thanks very much.

 

[Bluelion]

Still confused on that one.

Holiday to Florida, or holiday to Greece?

I have that choice, are you saying I'm evil because I can choose?

Thanks very much.

now your just trying to make something out of nothing. Its not hard if there is only good then what is the choice, lets see do good or do good i think i'll do good, but if there is a opposite such as evil then there is choice good or evil. IE i can walk towards the sun or away from it, if the sun is in every direction then no matter which way i walk I walk into the sun there is no choice. I will be walking into the sun regardless of how I get there.

Your not going to get, study with The Holy Spirit some more. go in peace. blu

 

[now faith]

9. Q:Will there be different degrees of punishment.

A: The future punishment will be greater according to the degrees of sin, and the knowledge men had of God's will and of the way of salvation through Christ. (Luke 12:47, 48; Mark 12:40)A Catechism of Bible Teaching, John A. Broadus, 1892 | The Reformed Reader

Are you sure that belief is not from Dante and his picture of Hell or inferno.

 

[now faith]

now your just trying to make something out of nothing. Its not hard if there is only good then what is the choice, lets see do good or do good i think i'll do good, but if there is a opposite such as evil then there is choice good or evil. IE i can walk towards the sun or away from it, if the sun is in every direction then no matter which way i walk I walk into the sun there is no choice. I will be walking into the sun regardless of how I get there.

Your not going to get, study with The Holy Spirit some more. go in peace. blu

How would we ever possibly know what good is in the absence of evil.

This earth is a proving ground for eternity.

 

[now faith]

It's not God that saves us, it's that we must save ourselves. If we don't change, then God cannot save us.

God cannot or will not do 'Our Faith' for us.

We do our own saving, based on our understanding of God's will for us.

If we understand God as someone who will punish us for doing wrong, then that will be the level of our relationship with God.

If we understand God as someone who unconditionally loves us, then this will be our level of relationship with God.

It all depends on us, and our level of understanding.

Before Jesus, God was viewed as someone who must be obeyed, or there will be punishment.

After Jesus, we should be on the level of obeying God because we want to obey Him, and not because we fear any punishment from Him.

How do we see God, As a General, or as a Parent?

For by grace are ye saved ;through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God.
Not of works Lest any man should boast.

Ephesians is great teaching wouldn't you say?

 

[now faith]

ok so this question is kinda stupid because I do believe god saves all. but I have a question about this. the bible says that in order to be saved you have to know that your a sinner and repent or something like that. well what happens if you don't know if your a sinner and you repent. does god still save you?? my nephew says that if you don't know that your a sinner and ask god to save you, then you aren't saved because you have to know that your a sinner. and also you have to truly mean it or else you won't be saved. so really, what happens if you don't know your a sinner or you think your saved but don't know if you are and you repent. does that mean god will save you??? also, what happens if you don't repent the right way??? my nephew also said that if you asked god to save you and you repented and still don't know if your saved, and didn't feel god save you, then you didn't do it right. he said you have to do it right or god won't save you.

There is a crossroad in all of our lives when we know in are hearts the need for Christ.
Our spirit longs to come to the Father,the Holy Spirit brings this conviction.

God is just he will beckon and I pray you yield to the calling.
If you hold on to your flesh with pride you may suffer eternal separation from God.

Simply by being here you are stepping toward the love of Christ,if your heart wasn't moved
You would not be asking.
Do not pass today up we have no guarantees on tomorrow.

 

[now faith]

I'm a Calvinist so we believe that God can save all but not all are going to except it. So knowing that already God knows who will choose him and who will not.

That is the simple way to put it =]

So what is the point of the Gospel being preached?

As well the great commission,since it is already predestined.

What is the point of John 3:16

I guess I could say we help those who are going to accept salvation but if we don't they will be saved any way.

 

[98cwitr]

I think the original poster had serious issues, other posts from the poster can be checked, to see what I mean. From that though it is not clear where provocation was meant, or that it was speaking from personal dilemma.

Everyone has opportunity to respond to knowledge from God, which there always is on some level or another. Even animals have a knowledge of the Creator, indicated from scripture.

Doesn't really answer the question though.

 

[98cwitr]

Well God believes in steps. He said for every one step you take to me I will take two toward you.


I have a thought that these people who do not come to God never came from Him, but maybe came from satans line. but i can not back that up in the Biblical sense. Now satan was necessary because with out evil there is no choice and God did not want people following Him by default, but He wanted their love and for them to follow him out of love.

Evil as disgusting as it is gives a choice or free will, this what i was trying to explain to the other poster. If there is only good there is no choice no free will.

He said that? Where and when?

"I have a thought that these people who do not come to God never came from Him, but maybe came from satans line."

Totally agree and can back that up!

1 John 2:19

If having freedom means being free to be evil or good, how does the following stand?

Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Yet, not to digress from the OP, the answer is No, God does not save everyone and to say so is to deny Holy Scripture and would thus create an idol, a god that you want to believe in rather than the One who actually exists.

 

[Edgar44]

now your just trying to make something out of nothing. Its not hard if there is only good then what is the choice, lets see do good or do good i think i'll do good, but if there is a opposite such as evil then there is choice good or evil. IE i can walk towards the sun or away from it, if the sun is in every direction then no matter which way i walk I walk into the sun there is no choice. I will be walking into the sun regardless of how I get there.

Your not going to get, study with The Holy Spirit some more. go in peace. blu

God is good. What's wrong with having the choice between good and good?

Will I help the old lady with her messages, or shall I instead help out at the local hospital?

If you need to have a God that requires you to experience evil, then you live that life, but remember you'll be creating that life for all eternity.

Me, I'm going to have a life where evil doesn't exist.

Remember Genesis 6:6

God was broken hearted, when mankind brought evil into their lives.

God said 'DON'T' eat the fruit.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

[Edgar44]

God is love, and God is good. There is no evil within God and the day will come when I will be in His image.

If evil is to co-exist with mankind for all eternity, then it means it's impossible for us to become in the image of God. Because God does not struggle with evil.

 

[Skala]

So what is the point of the Gospel being preached?

As well the great commission,since it is already predestined.

God uses means to accomplish His desired ends.

What is the point of John 3:16

The point of John 3:16 is that God sent Christ to save believers

I guess I could say we help those who are going to accept salvation but if we don't they will be saved any way.

This shows a misunderstanding of the doctrine of election. Predestination and election doesn't mean that some people will be saved and some will be lost whether or not they believed the gospel. Instead, it recognizes that the way God saves people is by bringing them to a knowledge of the truth and bringing them to faith in the gospel. Those who are not saved never believed the gospel, because they never wanted to.

 

[Bluelion]

God is good. What's wrong with having the choice between good and good?

Will I help the old lady with her messages, or shall I instead help out at the local hospital?

If you need to have a God that requires you to experience evil, then you live that life, but remember you'll be creating that life for all eternity.

Me, I'm going to have a life where evil doesn't exist.

Remember Genesis 6:6

God was broken hearted, when mankind brought evil into their lives.

God said 'DON'T' eat the fruit.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

lol ok have fun with that.

 

[now faith]

God uses means to accomplish His desired ends.




The point of John 3:16 is that God sent Christ to save believers



This shows a misunderstanding of the doctrine of election. Predestination and election doesn't mean that some people will be saved and some will be lost whether or not they believed the gospel. Instead, it recognizes that the way God saves people is by bringing them to a knowledge of the truth and bringing them to faith in the gospel. Those who are not saved never believed the gospel, because they never wanted to.

The last statement seems to promote free will,is that your intention?
If so I have a better understanding being some will choose not to accept the Gospel.

 

[now faith]

The Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, was a symbol of the choice that mankind could take. If they ate from the tree, their choice would lead to an evil world.

If they obeyed God, their choice would have led to a good world.

Just as the Tree of life was a symbol of Adam if he attained perfection.

I don't know about that idea,knowledge of evil and it's consequences logically should discourage it.

If they were void of the capability to do evil why did they sin to begin with?

Due to disobedience sin entered this world prior to the disobedience there was only good in man.

Good with choice to perform evil.

 

[Edgar44]

I don't know about that idea,knowledge of evil and it's consequences logically should discourage it.

If they were void of the capability to do evil why did they sin to begin with?

Due to disobedience sin entered this world prior to the disobedience there was only good in man.

Good with choice to perform evil.

It's really rather simple. If a parent tells his child, 'Do not touch the hot iron', the parent is saying that in order to protect his child from being badly burnt.

The same is true when God told Adam (Eve), 'Do not eat that fruit', it was a commandment to protect them, not from being burnt in this case, but from separating themselves and their descendants from God.

Why then did they disobey? Because they were immature, they were still growing. God knew their immaturity could lead them astray, so He gave that warning.

 

[Skala]

The last statement seems to promote free will,is that your intention?
If so I have a better understanding being some will choose not to accept the Gospel.

Free will does exist. But the problem is, man is hostile to God by fallen nature, thus he always freely chooses to reject God. That is our default stance: the reject God.

Free will always results in hell
Free grace always results in heaven

If God had not chosen to save some (election), heaven would be empty because we'd all happily reject God all the way to hell.

I can be more specific if you'd like.

 

[JM]

If God loves everybody, He'll save everybody...what kind of love would not save?