Does God Really Exist?

[sk8Joyful]

Does God really exist?

Think logically: Energy is what causes perception and conscious awareness.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, Energy in its purest form is intelligent/conscious?
Do you have proof that it's not?

Before you get into 'proofs', first define Intelligence, Perception, & Awareness.
for
sufficient research & experience has demonstrated 'consciousness' is but a small drop,

in the immensely increasing ocean of intelligence, perception, & awareness...

Thus God is PURE INTELLIGENT ENERGY,
a PERFECT,
UNIVERSALLY CONSCIOUS BEING without flaw.

Again (outside the consciousness-cage), Explore... if you would find God

My proof here is common sense.

what of 'common' sense?, as that boils
down to 'common' experience. Yet another whole world, & many more, are waiting.

Now, since God is ETERNAL and we are created in His image, we are ETERNAL also.
We are made of ENERGY too, are we not?

Good, you answered your own question: "Does God really exist?" - Evidently He does! so PRAISE God!

Energy has it's own set of laws
and if we mess with those laws, we'll probably get burned!
Energy is a two-edged sword. It can be beneficial to us,
but it can also destroy us. It all depends on our attitude towards it.

How much have you studied physics?, and bio-chemistry?, and
(self-healings... of the kind God created us with plentiful abilities... with). And yes, you have this part right:
Attitude plays a big part, yes Sir!

If we as human beings are to
live in peace and harmony with one another and with nature,
should we not submit to these laws, the laws of the Creator? Should we not submit to God?

Yes, we should submit to God's WILL entirely! - but sad to Him, very few of His children do,
including
mostly, atheists attitudinally allow themselves to heal.

Far too many christians, attitudinally make God responsible
for their own symptoms, their own dis-eases, their own miseries,
their own sufferings, yadda yadda - AS IF
God were personally responsible, when in fact God was/is not.

Yet, God/Jesus as our Savior, taught His Gospel of "help each other heal..."
that most christians choose not to live, thereby setting an empoverished example
for the rest of the world, to follow. - And God is grieved.

because HE wants EACH of His children living the ABUNDANT-life HE offers...

To sum it all up:
So why are we here? Why did God create us?
Simple. God wanted a family to enjoy. God is good and wants us to enjoy life with Him and with one another.
Do you not suppose God loves you and cares for your well-being?

Again notice, I just answered this: God created us, to
come to earth as per His Holy Will to LEARN to live life Abundantly... PRAISE GOD!

So why is this world full of problems?
Simple. Because most people have left God and want their own rule.
They want to be their 'own god' and don't want the perfect rule of God.
that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shown it unto them.
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even His ETERNAL POWER and Godhead;
so that they are without excuse:

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and
their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man"
Romans 1:18-23
Either you submit to His Way or get out of the way!
This world will be restored by God.

God said it: a world of fools, sadly staying sick, having lost the way.

A few fortunately do: Allow & Welcome God
as our soul's Savior, mind's Teacher, & body's Resurrector. PRAISE God!

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that comes to God must believe that HE IS, and
that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

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[lawtonfogle]

Yes, I'm fully aware of what Nietzsche was writing about. However, I wasn't quoting Nietzsche, I was quoting the popular t-shirt.

Which is most likely based, and at least often used to support, a complete disfigurement of what N. said.


But on a side note. If I quote someone quoting someone else, have I quoted only the first person, or both?

 

[PurpleRain]

I'm not even going to bother reading any of the mumbo jumbo scientific stuff posted in here because chances are it will go right over my head.

Yes, God really does exist. I might not have scientific facts to back me up on it, but I don't need them. I'm not always confident that God exists, but I feel in my heart that he truly does. Whether or not we can find proof does not matter to me, and I don't say I believe in God simply to receive eternal life. I just believe. It's something unexplainable to me. I just KNOW somehow.

It always confuses me how people can only believe things based on scientific evidence. What miserable life to only believe what can be proven to you. There is such beauty and fulfillment in simply believing, but not having to see. Life means so much more that way.

 

[The-Doctor]

I'm not even going to bother reading any of the mumbo jumbo scientific stuff posted in here because chances are it will go right over my head.

Yes, God really does exist. I might not have scientific facts to back me up on it, but I don't need them. I'm not always confident that God exists, but I feel in my heart that he truly does. Whether or not we can find proof does not matter to me, and I don't say I believe in God simply to receive eternal life. I just believe. It's something unexplainable to me. I just KNOW somehow.

It always confuses me how people can only believe things based on scientific evidence. What miserable life to only believe what can be proven to you. There is such beauty and fulfillment in simply believing, but not having to see. Life means so much more that way.

Well said

 

[noroses4u2c]

Of course God exists.

Why would the atheists cuss Him out if He didn't exist?? They never feel the need to cuss satan.

 

[Brilliand]

Of course God exists.

Why would the atheists cuss Him out if He didn't exist?? They never feel the need to cuss satan.

How often do people bug them about Satan?

EDIT: Or more importantly, how often do people bug them in the name of Satan...

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Granted, for something to be testable, we need to find a way to put it into one of the five senses, but that is where technology comes in (such as a thermometer.

We can't put God or past events into one of the five senses, therefore they are untestable, and unprovable. You can't repeat creation.
As wonderful as it might be I don't think Humans will ever come up with a device to put God into the 5 senses as it were. According to scientific process God cannot be proven.

 

[DamianWarS]

Interesting - every time the matter of the evidence of God arises those engage inevitable fall into the trap of rationalism.

The concept of God is neither rational nor logical. When you begin to accept that reality you will also realize the futility of the exercise.

I don't see the concept of no-God as rational or logical either. But rationalism and logic is subjective. If it were not then we would all agree on the same thing. Rationalism and logic are a slave to the one you serve.

the big bang theory collapses on itself since the very idea of it is based on there was "nothing" then there was "something". sure a true atheist would tell you they don't know what was "before" the big bang because that would require a measure of faith. but its either "nothing" or "something" so make up your mind. There is no way a person can even prove "nothing" but it is very easy to prove "something" so at the very least i know that before the big bang/creation there was something. That something could not be an being in a state of evolution because that would mean it had a beginning and then that would repeat the same question over and over again. And sure you can do that if you want but the buck has to stop somewhere and it would have to stop at a a being that has no beginning or end. Such a being would have to be all powerful, all knowing and limitless in all ways. If they were not then they would be a being with limits which would mean something else is more powerful then them.

The big bang theory is the only way of explaining there is no God and was inevitable. Its like this domino effect of when someone started to defend the idea that there is no God. One by one they had to explain away every point and why there is no God until it forces the idea into a position where you have to say we were created from nothing which is absurd but yet very intelligent people will stand firm on this.

I'm sure someone could talk circles around me with science but i don't see how science the "study of knowledge" points to a moment where there was no knowledge.

 

[wayseer]

I don't see the concept of no-God as rational or logical either. But rationalism and logic is subjective. If it were not then we would all agree on the same thing. Rationalism and logic are a slave to the one you serve.

You have a point but I would be interested in your thesis. Could you elaborate?

In what way is rationalism and logic subjective? How do you avoid the dualism that is created by the ONE and MANY - deductive reasoning?

I'm sure someone could talk circles around me with science but i don't see how science the "study of knowledge" points to a moment where there was no knowledge.

How about 'non-science'? Can theology point to a moment where there was no knowledge?

If the ONE represent eternity and the MANY by events in time perhaps as believers we are a nondual reality in that we, the MANY, while we operate in a different time to the ONE but through our consciousness form a 'time-bridge' across the chasm. Just a thought or two.

Oh, and don't let rationalists bluff you. Scientists are coming to something like the same thinking.

 

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[jonathan180iq]

...Did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, Energy in its purest form is intelligent/conscious? Do you have proof that it's not?
Thus God is PURE INTELLIGENT ENERGY, a PERFECT, UNIVERSALLY CONSCIOUS BEING without flaw.


What causes you to 'think', be 'intelligent', 'perceive reality', etc.? Is it not ENERGY? Do you agree that Energy allows for brain functions which eventually bring about intelligence and self-awareness in us ('I think, therefore I am')? Now ask yourself:

IF ENERGY IS NOT INTELLIGENT, HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT INTELLIGENT BRING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE ITSELF?...

Luke...Use the force, Luke.

 

[lucaspa]

I'm sure others have pointed out the logical flaws in the arguments, but I may have a few flaws that have not been stated yet.

Do you doubt the existence of a Supreme Intelligent Being?

Think logically:

Are there not laws of conservation of Energy governing the universe?

Right there is the flaw: "governing the universe". The Laws of Thermodynamics are limited to describing what happens within the universe. They do not apply to how to get a universe to begin with.

Therefore, the logical flaw here is using the Laws of Thermo outside their application.

If you believe in the 'BIG BANG' then tell me, how did ENERGY 'appear' out of nowhere?

One logical flaw here is that the Big Bang was not caused by God. How do you know that the Big Bang is not how God created the universe?

Interestingly enough, you blow away your whole argument with: "Energy can only happen as a result of vacuum or complete nothingness"

Before the Big Bang, there was complete nothingness. So you have already given the "cause" of energy! Energy happened because it could "only" happen as a result of complete nothingness! Hoisted by your own petard.

In fact, in our universe "vacuum" is not "nothingness". It is only the absence of matter. You see, spacetime is something. Spacetime is a real thing.

Interestingly, the universe has ZERO net energy. That's right. In reality, the universe has no energy. We have the positive energy of matter and the expansion and the negative energy of gravity. They cancel out and there is no net energy.

In the vacuum, particles pop into and then out of existence all the time. It's called "quantum fluctuation". No cause, it just happens. An attraction of String Theory is that spacetime itself could be a result of a quantum fluctuation.

Energy holds the complete blueprint of ALL cause and effect of the entire Universe.

For most cause and effect, you need energy capable of doing work. The cosmic background radiation energy is incapable of doing work. There is no bluepring of all future cause and effect within it.

Energy in its purest form is intelligent/conscious? Do you have proof that it's not?

Yes. Look again at the CMBR. Intelligence and consciousness need the ability to do work: thinking. The CMBR is energy in its "purest form" and is unable to do work.

Thus God is PURE INTELLIGENT ENERGY, a PERFECT, UNIVERSALLY CONSCIOUS BEING without flaw.

You just made God a creature of this universe. That violates Christian theology. God is separate from the universe; He created the universe as separate from Him. Congratulations. In your zeal to "logically prove" God, you have "proved" that God is not the Christian god.

What causes you to 'think', be 'intelligent', 'perceive reality', etc.? Is it not ENERGY? Do you agree that Energy allows for brain functions which eventually bring about intelligence and self-awareness in us ('I think, therefore I am')?

Only loosely. Thinking involves more than energy. It involves specific neural pathways. IOW, thinking is not simply the movement of energy, but a precise firing of specific neurons in a specific sequence.

But I'm going to stop now because this logical argument is waay outside Christianity. By making God = energy, as I noted, you have made God a creature of the universe.

BTW, before the Big Bang, there was no energy. Big Bang is the beginning of energy/matter and spacetime. So, if God = energy, you have also stated God is not eternal. You have screwed your own argument for humans having eternal life. Congratulations again.

 

[midnightambrosia]

op, your totally trying to prove that god exists with science...

 

[JamesAH]

Nah He doesn't exist we just do this to tick off the atheists

 

[lucaspa]

op, your totally trying to prove that god exists with science...

Yeah. It's a favorite past time of some theists. Please notice that the theists who have a personal relationship with God never try to misuse science this way. They don't need science to "prove" the existence of God; they have all the evidence they need.

Science is agnostic. As scientists, we cannot say whether God exists or not. Any attempt to have science "prove" or "disprove" the existence of God is an abuse of science. Somewhere in the argument, science is portrayed wrong or twisted into something science is not.