I agree with your first comment and disagree with the second. I believe Christ is God's elect person and that we enter the elect body (all who would be connected to Christ) by submitting to Christ. We can be severed from the elect body through unbelief (Romans 11). That is my understanding.
The Cross is the best example of God giving no place to evil... all that came against Jesus was lie and physical and mental torture... yet His Response was only of love and forgiveness proving He was God:Please show how God using the evil objects of his wrath to make the riches of his glory known is not God using (giving place to) evil in Romans 9:23.
Because you do not understand God has made us in His Image and no one has told God how to be- so also His image... no one tells me to be a certain way I am because I have chosen this out of my own resource.... because you have reasoned incorrectly with free will your view of Scripture also becomes distorted _no heart in Scripture is first hardened by God but God has sealed already hardened hearts!Please show how God hardening the hearts of the evil northern kings so that he might destroy them is not God using (giving place to) evil in Joshua 11:20.
I have as yet not seen any answer but the one I chided you on .... and only then because it had no substance to evaluate anything on...Please yourself. I'm not going to continue to repeat myself with him or anyone else.
This is very inconsistent with your systematic of calvinism... people in hell will be under God's eternal wrath for exactly what God chose for them to be!Please stay on point: God does not get angry at people for doing what he decreed they would do.
This is how God gives no place to evil... for there is no evil in Him!
Please show how God using the evil objects of his wrath to make the riches of his glory known is not God using (giving place to) evil in Romans 9:23.
Please show how God hardening the hearts of the evil northern kings so that he might destroy them is not God using (giving place to) evil in Joshua 11:20.
Non-responsive. . .Because you do not understand God has made us in His Image and no one has told God how to be- so also His image... no one tells me to be a certain way I am because I have chosen this out of my own resource.... because you have reasoned incorrectly with free will your view of Scripture also becomes distorted _no heart in Scripture is first hardened by God but God has sealed already hardened hearts!
I claim no adherence to any "systematic of calvinism."This is very inconsistent with your systematic of calvinism... people in hell will be under God's eternal wrath for exactly what God chose for them to be!
Non-responsive to Joshua 11:20.The issue was:
God does not get angry at people for doing what he decreed they would do,
which I demonstrated that he does (Joshua 11:20).
This is mostly the direction of non-calvinist persuasionNon-responsive to Joshua 11:20.
The point is:
God does not get angry at people for doing what he decreed they would do.
He did in Joshua 11:20.
Thanks, but non-responsive to the point.This is mostly the direction of non-calvinist persuasion
a quote from Bible knowledge commantary:
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This also informative from a Calvinist perspective Bob Utley:View attachment 317787
This implies that GOD knew who would end in hell before He created them BUT CREATED THEM ANYWAY! This contradiction must be reconciled by a redefinition of HIS being all knowing, the pagan Greek definition of omniscience that the early church appropriated (GOD knows all that can be known from all time past to all time future.) is faulty.
That's actually how free will works, and it is an absolute requirement in order for a Heaven to be built. It is also a logical-mathematical result. Entities of free will are given the choice either to be with God (by abiding by the requirement set forth as Law or covenants or to not be with God by breaking them). That's what free will actually is, that is, entities are given the choice to be or to be against God.
That's how everything works on a fair basis, whether God has the ability to know beforehand is almost irrelevant. Just like each and every creation (say, in a factory), the manufacturer's duty is to identify the out-of-quality items and separate them from the good items. That's how things are produced. Whether you know beforehand the percentage of each group of items is irrelevant. Unlike items, each entity does have a choice.
Gotcha! If I understand you, salvation is simply a matter of obedience to God's Law(s).
Sorry, you got it wrong!
Law is set up for both angels and humans to obey. It is a necessity for a judgment to follow the Law established. Under this Judgment by Law, 2/3 angels will pass and enter the final heaven (which is called New Earth and New Heaven in the book of Revelation). By the same Judgment of Law, no human can make it to heaven, mainly due to the fact that the 1/3 bad/fallen angels can have an influence on humans. Since these 1/3 angels are much more capable and intelligent, all mankind is kept captive by them (as led by Satan).
God, on the other hand, provides human salvation through Jesus Christ, such that through Law we are dead but through Jesus, we will live.
exhaustive divine determinismEDD?
Biblical truth does not depend on what men consider "rational" (Isaiah 55:8-9).
The Bible is written in an authoritative, not a consultative manner.exhaustive divine determinism
The Bible is written in a rational manner... God expects us to reason with Him about soteriological matters.
Since God is sovereign and everything created is for a purpose (John 1:3, Proverbs 16:4, Colossians 1:16, Romans 9:18) according to his will and for his pleasure (Psalms 115:3, Job 42:2, Proverbs 16:9, Matthew 26:39) and God knows all things and everything that will ever happen. (Isaiah 46:9-10)
God is the author (Isaiah 45:7) does he use sin of the righteous to bring us closer to him? (Romans 8:28) we know that "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." John 6:37 would this mean that God predetermines/predestines sin as well according to his will? (Genesis 50:20)
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