Does God Make Exceptions

[ArchangelGabriel]

Ive heard many people state that abortion is considered unaceptable by the church... unless the women is raped or the birth of her child would be fatal for her. Now if i've just heard wrong than please feel free to inform me but, if i havent or you have heard the same thing can you please explain to me if this means that there are exceptions to sin.

 

[angelsword]

Ive heard many people state that abortion is considered unaceptable by the church... unless the women is raped or the birth of her child would be fatal for her. Now if i've just heard wrong than please feel free to inform me but, if i havent or you have heard the same thing can you please explain to me if this means that there are exceptions to sin.

I see that no one has ventured to answer you! Probably because God was waiting for me to see it and give you an answer! know I would like you to read my article Divorce (why you should or shouldn't do it). It is in the married couples forum just read my answer to the 'Lady in Waiting'

Next, read Ecc 7:16 and 1st John 5:16,17 That will give you Biblical insight as to where I am coming from.

Now I want you to understand that God looks at the heart. What I am about to say, I will say bluntly, God is lenient in situations with every one in the world in different areas of their lives!

On countless occasions I have seen with my own eyes God punish people severly for something they did wrong that He would only 'gently reproach' other people for the same sin.

On more than one occasion, I have been on both ends of that stick! So therefore I am lenient until the spirit guides me and tells me whether judgement should be cast or not!

The statement that you made about the baby being aborted if it is rape, or if the mother is in danger? I have a very prominent and upstanding government man who it is known to many that he was conceived of rape. In this case, ask God what to do! In the case of the mother's life being in danger, some of us in the Bahamas share this view, 'You can always have another baby, but you can't always find another good woman!'

Imagine a young woman age 28 with a child already! Think of all those people who love her and would miss her. 28 years of love and knowledge of a person gone to dust for a baby no one even knows yet? If it was someone I loved, I wouldn't want them to die for a baby that would be in God's arms if it died. Or, pray for a miracle and if God is willing, He can save both mother and baby. It happened with my mother and little sister.

YES! God constantly makes acceptions!

 

[angelsword]

I see that no one has ventured to answer you! Probably because God was waiting for me to see it and give you an answer! know I would like you to read my article Divorce (why you should or shouldn't do it). It is in the married couples forum just read my answer to the 'Lady in Waiting'

Next, read Ecc 7:16 and 1st John 5:16,17 That will give you Biblical insight as to where I am coming from.

Now I want you to understand that God looks at the heart. What I am about to say, I will say bluntly, God is lenient in situations with every one in the world in different areas of their lives!

On countless occasions I have seen with my own eyes God punish people severly for something they did wrong that He would only 'gently reproach' other people for the same sin.

On more than one occasion, I have been on both ends of that stick! So therefore I am lenient until the spirit guides me and tells me whether judgement should be cast or not!

The statement that you made about the baby being aborted if it is rape, or if the mother is in danger? I have a very prominent and upstanding government man who it is known to many that he was conceived of rape. In this case, ask God what to do! In the case of the mother's life being in danger, some of us in the Bahamas share this view, 'You can always have another baby, but you can't always find another good woman!'

Imagine a young woman age 28 with a child already! Think of all those people who love her and would miss her. 28 years of love and knowledge of a person gone to dust for a baby no one even knows yet? If it was someone I loved, I wouldn't want them to die for a baby that would be in God's arms if it died. Or, pray for a miracle and if God is willing, He can save both mother and baby. It happened with my mother and little sister.

YES! God constantly makes acceptions!

I would also like to add to this the evidence I found in Ester chapters 1and 2. The king put Vashti away and married Ester. A clear case of Divorce! But who sanctioned it and why? God did!

It is sometimes very hard to bend ourselves to the will of God when we have had the differenc of right and wrong hammered into us! When God moves, we move according to His will. He makes the rules, he can break them! Also read Jeremiah 3:1, Hosea 3:3 and 1 Corinthian 6:16. God wants us to remember to always be pliable to HIS will!

 

[Zeena]

God does not make exceptions..

Otherwise why would Jesus have had to suffer?

 

[angelsword]

God does not make exceptions..

Otherwise why would Jesus have had to suffer?

Jesus died and did suffer for our sins. Please read carefully what I wrote. The Bible specifically mentions what we should and should not do, but if God allows something to happen for a reason. God frowns upon divorce, yet Ester married a divorced man. God placed her there for an important purpose. God makes the rules and can break them. It is not up to us to decide when to make exceptions, however! We must follow God's lead (even when it may seem against what we hold fast to, I have had to do it myself) and do as GOD would have us do!

 

[Zeena]

God does not break the rules HE created! :LOL:

 

[angelsword]

God does not break the rules HE created! :LOL:

I think I finally see your point ! kPoor wording on my part! God doesn't sin, so HE doesn't break the rules, but as I mentioned before, He allows exceptions for us when He sees fit!

 

[Mling]

I don't think that there are exceptions like "This is a sin, but because of X, Y and Z, I'll overlook it." I don't think exceptions are necessary. An exception would only be necessary if the law was incomplete--that is, if somethings was called a sin when, under certain circumstances it really wasn't. So, for example, my friend beat up his girlfriend once, but it was as the result of a sleep disorder, when he had absolutely no control over what he was doing. If the law said that striking anybody was illegal, and he was charged, a judge might make an exception for him, given the circumstances. That exception would have been given, not because
the judge really liked my friend, or for any other reason that has to do with him--it would be necessary because the law was flawed and incomplete because it does not take this situation into account. In a situation like this, the exception is needed, because to follow the flawed law would not be just.

I think God's law is all-encompassing, and complex enough (accounting for any possible situation) that no exceptions are necessary. If it is true that abortions for convenience are wrong, while abortions for health or in response to rape are not wrong, that is not an "exception." That is declaring the two abortions to be inherently different acts--one sinful, the other not.

Now, whether that--this particular case--is actually true or not, is another question...

 

[izarya]

I believe God does make exceptions. Everyone can't get away with the same things.
Example: 1 Kings 13, there is a prophet whom God told to go to a certain place, prophesy to the people of that place, and return home.
He was not to turn to the left or right, nor stop at any-one's house to eat or drink.
He met up with another prophet in the way, who invited him to his house to rest, he accepted his offer. The next day he was attacked and killed by a lion for his disobedience.

Then we have Jonah who, when told by God to go to Nineveh and prophesy to them, gets into a ship going in the opposite direction, causes a storm that endangers everyone else on board's lives, gets swallowed by a whale, spit onto the shores of Nineveh, then commences to ARGUE with God the whole time for not destroying the people of Nineveh, and yet is allowed to live!
Not only live, but is taught a lesson in morals and forgiveness by God personally.

Yes God indeed makes exceptions.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

God says murder is against his law. Period.

However, killing isn't against his law, because killing can be done by a proper authority (whether God himself of a sanctioned governmental representative) for the sake of justice, or in self defense. When conducted by a proper authority or in self defense, killing isn't murder.

Well there is no justice to be had in killing a child, so any government or government-sanctioned abortion is murder. However, a woman who is going to suffer fatally from her pregnancy is engaging in self-defense. That's not murder, that's just killing.

But that's the only instance of non-murderous killing in abortion I can think of.

So does God make exceptions? No, absolutely not. But his laws are more nuanced than the blanket definitions we often assign to them.

 

[angelsword]

But his laws are more nuanced than the blanket definitions we often assign to them.

This is just so beautifully put! All in one nutshell!

 

[angelsword]

Then we have Jonah who, when told by God to go to Nineveh and prophesy to them, gets into a ship going in the opposite direction, causes a storm that endangers everyone else on board's lives, gets swallowed by a whale, spit onto the shores of Nineveh, then commences to ARGUE with God the whole time for not destroying the people of Nineveh, and yet is allowed to live!
Not only live, but is taught a lesson in morals and forgiveness by God personally.

Yes God indeed makes exceptions.

This is like loved explained compared with love felt and experienced. Same subject, different course.

 

[angelsword]

If it is true that abortions for convenience are wrong, while abortions for health or in response to rape are not wrong, that is not an "exception." That is declaring the two abortions to be inherently different acts--one sinful, the other not.

Now, whether that--this particular case--is actually true or not, is another question...

Bringing it back to origin, where is the guy who originally started this thread?

 

[angelsword]

God does not break the rules HE created! :LOL:

Luk 6:1¶And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] handLuk 6:2And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?Luk 6:3And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;Luk 6:4How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?Luk 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

 

[Hismessenger]

A perfect God doesn't have to make exceptions for things that He has set forth or else He would not be perfect nor God. Every aspect of the creation was planned by God before we were made manifest. This is bourne out in the book of Job and in quite a few other scripture throughout the bible. How can anything be seen as a mistake of God for to make mistakes would remove His perfection. God is perfect in every aspect.
If a child is conceived it is by the will of God for neither man nor woman, no matter how much the desire can cause the life to come by their union unless God moves to bring it to pass. Christ gave His life for us when we were not and are not innocent. Why shouldn't the one who conceives, no matter how the conception, trust that God knew about it long before it happened. He is not surprized not dismayed. Only watching His creation unfold as He planned it.

Hismessenger