Does God have control over Satan always?

[Godisincontrol]

Please help me understand this using God's word. I see in the bible that God causes sickness, health, death and life, wounded and well.

I thought that God causes and allows afflictions.


God hardened Pharoahs heart all for His Glory, before Pharoah had hardened his heart.

Where do some get the idea that Satan is the cause of disease? I am trying to understand where some get this from.

Thank you.

 

[Godisincontrol]

Anybody think God has more control than satan, anybody?

 

[victoryword]

As I stated to you in another thread, The Bible does not depict God as one who exercises unilateral control. He created free moral agents. Free moral agency means that one can either embrace or oppose God's will.

Lucifer never asked God for permission to rebel. It would be absurd to teach that God planned and controlled Satan's rebellion. Satan did it as a free agent and he paid the consequences. He will suffer for an eternity at the hands of God. However, it is ridiculous to believe that God wanted or willed Satan's rebellion.

The same thing must be said of Satan's attacks on God's people. The BIble does teach that Satan asks for permission to do some things and God grants it. However, this does not mean that Satan is always getting permission from God every single time he does something.

Finally, every place where God is said to be the author of sickness, it was due to judgment upon some sin. Never is God shown to be the arbitrator of sickness for some divine, mysterious, unkown purpose. Satan is seen to be the main source of sickness and Jesus is seen to be the One who undid the devil's work (Acts 10:38)

In the Scriptures we are taught to cast out devils (Mark 16:15-20); resist Satan (James 4:7; 1 Pet. 5:8-9), givethe devil no place (Eph. 4:27) and we are told to stand against his wiles (Eph. 6:10-18). If we are not obeying these commands against the devil and he is running rampant over our lives then it certainly isn't God who is "controlling it" but us just simply being passive.

 

[Windsor]

Yes, God has all control, but Satan does have powers to do evil and is very sly and only wants the worst for people. In the end times it is stated in the Bible that Jesus will put away Satan after the rapture (in a blink of an eye Christians will be raised to Heaven and those non-belivers will have another chance to redeem theirselves. So, yes God does have all the power- enough to satisfy me.

 

[Godisincontrol]

. Satan did it as a free agent and he paid the consequences. He will suffer for an eternity at the hands of God. However, it is ridiculous to believe that God wanted or willed Satan's rebellion.
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Why do you think God created Satan if he knew he would fall and cause many to die in Hell?

Do you think our free will will remain in heaven? Is there a possibility of people in heaven now and when we are there, doing the same as satan, or are our wills going to be not free.

 

[Light Keeper]

Greetings every one.
Just a thought or two regarding free will.
Free will can only be exercised when there is a choice to be made, so God allowed satan to give Adam and Eve a choice. Sadly, although they had been warned about what would happen they made a choice that we now know was the wrong one.
Then, as now, we listen to the wrong advice, from the wrong adviser, no one made Adam or Eve, or us, make the wrong choice, we do it all by ourselves.
Just a thought, if we are warned against taking the advice of a proven liar by the one that can only tell the truth, why do we listen to the liar and not to the truthful one?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Satan is a completely defeated foe. Jesus took everything he had on the day He rose from the dead. Jesus gave much of this booty to us. We must take care not to allow satan to steal or trick us into dropping it. He can do this if we believe his lies in preference to the Word. If we dwell in the word and stand on it in the face of all the devil throws at us we will always prevail. If we take side with the devil against the Word and Jesus, then we will fall into his traps.

Resist the lies of the devil, and he will fee from you as in terror. Resist him in the name of Jesus and with the blood of the lamb.
Praise the Lord I am getting happy right here at my computer!!

 

[Iddie4him]

Satan is a completely defeated foe. Jesus took everything he had on the day He rose from the dead. Jesus gave much of this booty to us. We must take care not to allow satan to steal or trick us into dropping it. He can do this if we believe his lies in preference to the Word. If we dwell in the word and stand on it in the face of all the devil throws at us we will always prevail. If we take side with the devil against the Word and Jesus, then we will fall into his traps.

Resist the lies of the devil, and he will fee from you as in terror. Resist him in the name of Jesus and with the blood of the lamb.
Praise the Lord I am getting happy right here at my computer!!

Amen Brother....Glad you were there to answer that one, I was at a loss.

 

[Light Keeper]

Greetings,
Its not the great liar that wants telling that he is defeated, he knows that!
Its the people that still listen to him, still think that he has power over them. We are warned in Holy Scripture that he is like a roaring lion and I have been told that it is only the toothless lion that roars when hunting, it is the quiet one that is the dangerous one.
So instead of fearing the roar take it as a sign that he is an old, broken, has been, toothless and can only harm you if you allow him too.

 

[Andrew]

God is in control? It all depends on how you define "in control"

1. How can God be in control if Sept 11 could occur, or for that matter, a kid is run down by a drunk? What kind of control is that?
2. How can God be in control if He gave the authority to the church to preach to the ends of the earth. The church should be in control, but most of the time, its fighting among its own.
3. Yet God is in control in the sense that the victory is ultimately (always has been) His, and all things will work out for our good, achieving His purposes.

btw: I thot Godisincontrol has left this section?

 

[blixation]

1. How can God be in control if Sept 11 could occur, or for that matter, a kid is run down by a drunk? What kind of control is that?

It's all under His Sovereign control..Some events the Lord will bring about to fulfill scripture (not saying 9/11 was one of them) but for example:

"And the ten horns which you saw on[1] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth." Rev 17:16-18

 

[Blade]

Please help me understand this using God's word. I see in the bible that God causes sickness, health, death and life, wounded and well.

I thought that God causes and allows afflictions.


God hardened Pharoahs heart all for His Glory, before Pharoah had hardened his heart.

Where do some get the idea that Satan is the cause of disease? I am trying to understand where some get this from.

Thank you.

The sad truth is satan has rights. But whats worse than that is most christians don't know they have more power then him. It is real simple. In the word it says ALL good things come from God. Jesus I am so in love with you.

Remember when they said Jesus was part of satans kingdom and was casting out demons. Jesus said a kingdom divided aginst it self will fall. Satan does not go about healing and casting out demons. So Jesus went about showing us what we have a right to. Satan wanted to be God and could not so he trys to hurt anything God loves.

 

[victoryword]

A lot of people fall into difficulty due to some statements in the Old Testament. Many statements in the OT, if not left in their proper context could be taken to prove an that God is arbitrary. It could be taught that even Satan's actions are under God's sovereign unilateral control.

One rule of Bible interpretation that I have found flawless is to interpret all OT Scripture, not only within its context, but also within the light of the New Testament. We must remember that the Bible is PROGRESSIVE REVELATION. God did not reveal everything to the early writers of Scripture. You hardly ever read of Satan's role in the Penteteuch. It is only in the New Testament that we even found out that the serpent in Genesis 3 was the devil, or at least influenced by him (though some will argue even against this). Satan himself is mentioned very few times in the OT books.

The ancient Hebrews saw God behind every event. Compare 2 Sam. 24:1 to the later account of this event written in 1 Chron. 21:1. Until the Hebrews received more light, God was the only point of reference. Yet, we learn even later in the New Testament that God is not the one going around tempting people (see James 1:13).

Therefore, we should not read OT passages as if God is constantly exercising some kind of exhaustive sovereignty. There is a REAL war going on in the heavenlies. God is at WAR. If God is controlling this war then it could NOT be a real war. I would agree with one author that Christians are to have a "warfare worldview" rather than a "blueprint worldview."

If I see that warfare is taking place then I will not be too quick to attribute every negative event to God's sovereignty. I will be quicker to resist the works of the enemy such as sin, sickness, and the salvation of family members and loved ones. If we have a "blueprint worldview" (believing that everything, including Satan's attacks are the direct cause of God's sovereign design) then we will too easily become fatalistic and allow whatever to be to be.