Pastor_Benjamin
Anoited & Apointed
Each and every person was created by God for a particular purpose. What is your purspose you say? You must pray and ask God what is his purpose for your particular life.
Upvote
0
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
What is the purpose of, for example, a 9-year-old orphan who dies in a building collapse during an earthquake in Pakistan? I'll take anything even remotely plausible at this point.Pastor_Benjamin said:Each and every person was created by God for a particular purpose. What is your purspose you say? You must pray and ask God what is his purpose for your particular life.
I'm not asking these questions because I'm emotionally troubled by their implications. I'm asking because I'm still looking for coherent answers. I would like to take people at their word, so when someone tells me there's a purpose for something, I naturally ask what that purpose is. Advising me to have faith that some purpose exists is pointless. I simply don't operate that way. I think if people know things, they should be able to give a reasonable account of how they come to know them. Faith, in this sense, is merely a stand-in for knowledge, a place-holder.Whitehorse said:The suffering in this world isn't easy. I understand what you're saying; I know it hurts. But this is where sin leads: to a world of suffering and pain. The only thing we can do is to look at it from God's point of view. It's hard to deal with; I know. The bottom line is, Adam & Eve shouldn't have sinned against God. Look at all the chaos that followed, for the simple "pleasure" of taking a bite of a stupid piece of fruit that didn't stay in their mouths for more than 30 seconds. And, we all sin, too. It's really made a mess of things.
I'm sure it is. But all this is succedent to my believing in God in the first place. Until I can do that, religious platitudes are worthless.But, we do have a promise of restoration. Very sweet. Everything will be restored for the Lord's people, and He paid the price so the suffering wouldn't be forever. So, if we're in that condition of being saved by grace, and if even death is temporary, that's a good position to be in.
Perhaps the reason is that it was time for him to go home to God, who loves him. Is that remotely plausible?What is the purpose of, for example, a 9-year-old orphan who dies in a building collapse during an earthquake in Pakistan? I'll take anything even remotely plausible at this point.
That's a reason for that child to die, not an explanation of the purpose of the child's manner of life and death.Chilldogg77 said:Perhaps the reason is that it was time for him to go home to God, who loves him. Is that remotely plausible?
Philosoft said:...
I'm sure it is. But all this is succedent to my believing in God in the first place. Until I can do that, religious platitudes are worthless.
Philosoft said:That's a reason for that child to die, not an explanation of the purpose of the child's manner of life and death.
Eh? First you tell me science and spirituality are separate entities, then you tell me I won't understand God until I create a parallel to gravity?onionring said:Its kind of like trying to understand Electromagnetic without first believing in gravity?
Of course, in order to prove a physical law like gravity you don't research spirituality? No you research science. So someone could logically conclude, in order to research spirituality (of which, God could be considered part...or whole...I don't want to make the Christians mad), physical proof of a spiritual object is illogical.
In this way, I conclude you are destined to be confused and unyielding to "religious platitudes" in much the same way those that struggled with the realities of gravity (not implying God is real).
It's your hang up not theirs.
Philosoft said:Eh? First you tell me science and spirituality are separate entities, then you tell me I won't understand God until I create a parallel to gravity?
When we allow God to work through our life, every thing that happens is working together for good. You might think it funny, but sometimes you can trace some of the big things in our life back to something completely insignificant, for example a toothache!loreocookie said:Do you believe everything happens for a reason? Just some things happen for a reason?
The perhaps unfortunate corollary entailed by this premise is that we forfeit the ability to determine which non-good acts ought to be prevented. If we assume there was some good state-of-affairs that followed from the Holocaust, then we end up in the seemingly contrary position of actually defending the existence of the Holocaust, lest whatever good never have come about.DavidB said:When we allow God to work through our life, every thing that happens is working together for good. You might think it funny, but sometimes you can trace some of the big things in our life back to something completely insignificant, for example a toothache!