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Does God Have a Memory?
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twosteppin
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Wouldn't saying that God has a memory make God subject to time?
Its like there is no past, present, or future for God. Its just now.
But that sort of thing is hard to grasp for a human mind. So we tend to address God in such a way.
Its like there is no past, present, or future for God. Its just now.
But that sort of thing is hard to grasp for a human mind. So we tend to address God in such a way.
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Hmm I think there is an important disticntion that must be made.
Sins do not belong to God nor are they "stored" in God when we do them. Sins belong to the individual and what God does when he forgives sins is not to erase some part of his memory or some part of the memory of the one who did the sin but he simply does not takes it into account when he judges the one who repents.
Sins do not belong to God nor are they "stored" in God when we do them. Sins belong to the individual and what God does when he forgives sins is not to erase some part of his memory or some part of the memory of the one who did the sin but he simply does not takes it into account when he judges the one who repents.
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Well, God can smell incense, be jealous, and can change His mind through argument. So why not a memory?
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We must remember that "memory" is human, and as twosteppin said, God is not subject to time, but we are. Memory implies that one must at one point not have known, then come to know, and then need to recall. God has no need for any of those things, except as he became man in Jesus Christ.
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Brother Simon
And His name shall be called Wonderful...
I think the phrase "remember us" means not remember in the sense of memory, but more like: "dont overlook us." I think?
With love,
Simon
With love,
Simon
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Brother Simon
And His name shall be called Wonderful...
That's the expression I was looking for! Yes, that makes sense. Thanks Michael!Michael the Iconographer said:
With Love,
Simon
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Irenaeus
Sub tuum praesidium confugimus!
Rhetor,
I think you need to read some Patristic interpretations on the attributes of God, especially in regard to passages from scripture where God "repents," and "changes his mind."
It was explicitly taught by the Three Cappadocians, for example, (Gregory of Nyssa, Nazianzen, and Basil) that God is eternal and not changing because he exists outside of time. This is also similiar to what I believe Dionysus of Alexandria said about prayer; that when we pray, God is the fixed point on the sea of time. If he seems to change, that is because we have moved in relation to him. So too when God "repents" when Moses begged him to not destroy the children of Israel, it was not because he changed his mind, but his wrath relented. We know in retrospect that because he knows all times in his providence, that such mercy was probably already indirectly predestined.
Is it any mistake that St. Augustine would call God the beauty ever ancient, ever new?
In any case, you have been saying (you and Bushido) several things along these lines like, "God changes", whereas the historical orthodox position is different.
I think you need to read some Patristic interpretations on the attributes of God, especially in regard to passages from scripture where God "repents," and "changes his mind."
It was explicitly taught by the Three Cappadocians, for example, (Gregory of Nyssa, Nazianzen, and Basil) that God is eternal and not changing because he exists outside of time. This is also similiar to what I believe Dionysus of Alexandria said about prayer; that when we pray, God is the fixed point on the sea of time. If he seems to change, that is because we have moved in relation to him. So too when God "repents" when Moses begged him to not destroy the children of Israel, it was not because he changed his mind, but his wrath relented. We know in retrospect that because he knows all times in his providence, that such mercy was probably already indirectly predestined.
Is it any mistake that St. Augustine would call God the beauty ever ancient, ever new?
In any case, you have been saying (you and Bushido) several things along these lines like, "God changes", whereas the historical orthodox position is different.
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