I'm asking you what your quotes mean and I'm asking you what my quotes mean in relation to the question that you posed, and then you accuse me of game playing, derailing, and avoiding an understanding?
I will give you my take even though you weren't asking me.
What I see mentioned is sorcerers, mediums, and necromancers - people who seek help from spiritual beings and particularly spirits of the deceased.
Revelation also mentions idolaters - people who seek help from gods and goddesses.
The mention of "liars" seems that it would include almost everybody.
I do not think that it is necessary to go that far back to find the antecedent of "you". Pronouns are most often very close to their antecedent. Look at the first part of chapter 3:
There is the "you" in verse 1, which refers to believers. And in verses, 3 and 4, Peter mentions the scoffers. Depending upon how one exegetes the referent to the pronoun, the one closest to the last "you" is scoffers, and to go further back, the referent is 'the beloved" in verse 1. Thus, there are two equally probable referents: "scoffers" and "beloved"
So you can see an alternative referent is equally valid?
In another thread here, some posters became upset at me about things they wrongly assumed about me and other Christians in general. That is gone.
Therefore, I begin a new thread (having sought permission) I post this caveat as an official statement from the owners of this site:
My aim is to answer using the Bible as much as possible, letting it speak for itself. Thus, i begin with an affirming statement:
- C&WR is considered an outreach ministry of CF because building relationships based on mutual respect is key to sharing the gospel of Christ.
- Mutual respect means that members will not mock, degrade or belittle each others' religious beliefs, or make posts that are disruptive to the peace and harmony of the forum.
- There will be no disrespect shown to Christianity, nor will there be any attempt to discredit or disprove Christianity.
- Remember that CF is first and foremost a Christian site. Do not make posts which violate our site wide blasphemy and promotion and proselytizing rules.
Even if you are or were involved in the "occult arts" God loves you just as you are.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
It is the stated aim of God that all humanity should come to repentance and live with God in His abode, Heaven. In the face of that Scripture, to say differently is to blaspheme the name and purpose of God.
The "flip side"of that verse is that God loves you too much to let you stay where you are, especially if you do not have an intimate relationship with Him
1 Thessalonians 5:Notice the very good news here. If you permit Him to do so, He shall make you sanctified, meaning being able to live with Him in Heaven.
23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it.
So there you have it. It is the entire Bible condensed in 3 verses.
INDEED SO!!God hates witchcraft, not witches.
But that aside, are you actually saying witches are believers?
O.k. something worth discussing in John 3:17 is who would be condemning the world. The Trinity means that the Son is part of God, so I assume it would not be some other part of God who is condemning the world. Maybe the Father would be condemning, but another possibility might be Satan. Satan is my guess.The fact that all of us are sinners and thus have fallen short of the glory of God is important if we are able to establish what those three, now four verses that I quoted all mean in context
I do not plan to ignore those types of verses, but to look at them separately, and have no foundation such as the three verses I outlined in the OP is to avoid the very important context.
Here is another one of those important "context verses"
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
May I ask what dog you have in this fight? I mean are you a witch or contemplating such, or do you know someone who is a witch so you need to justify things?
There is no basis for that interpretation in anything I posted.
You are simply jumping to absurd, improbable conclusions that have no basis in ANYTHING I posted here.
The Trinity means that the Son is part of God, so I assume it would not be some other part of God who is condemning the world.
No, that is 100% wrong, I am merely asking a question, and the fact to evaded that question as you did, speaks for itself.
Deliberately, I started with those verses for a reason. Very nicely, I am requesting that you and other posters FIRST deal with their interpretation of those 3 verses before we go off on rabbit trails in the woods.
That is not too much to ask, is it?
o.k. we won't discuss that here. I'm having difficulty understanding what it is that you want to discuss, so I guess I will give up for now.Since you believe that is "worth discussing" could you please create a new thread for it?
I thought this was going to be a discussion and not a "find the hidden agenda" rabbit trail, so I'll just move on then, thanks!
You are attempting to establish something about a topic on which I have been silent. Therefore, you are merely guessing, projecting, and off topic. I AM NOT THE ISSUE. Scripture is the issue here. In advance, I thank you for your cooperation on this.
o.k. we won't discuss that here. I'm having difficulty understanding what it is that you want to discuss, so I guess I will give up for now.
Yes of course! Though continued participation will cause desolation.Even if you are or were involved in the "occult arts" God loves you just as you are.
In another thread here, some posters became upset at me about things they wrongly assumed about me and other Christians in general. That is gone.
Therefore, I begin a new thread (having sought permission) I post this caveat as an official statement from the owners of this site:
My aim is to answer using the Bible as much as possible, letting it speak for itself. Thus, i begin with an affirming statement:
- C&WR is considered an outreach ministry of CF because building relationships based on mutual respect is key to sharing the gospel of Christ.
- Mutual respect means that members will not mock, degrade or belittle each others' religious beliefs, or make posts that are disruptive to the peace and harmony of the forum.
- There will be no disrespect shown to Christianity, nor will there be any attempt to discredit or disprove Christianity.
- Remember that CF is first and foremost a Christian site. Do not make posts which violate our site wide blasphemy and promotion and proselytizing rules.
Even if you are or were involved in the "occult arts" God loves you just as you are.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
It is the stated aim of God that all humanity should come to repentance and live with God in His abode, Heaven. In the face of that Scripture, to say differently is to blaspheme the name and purpose of God.
The "flip side"of that verse is that God loves you too much to let you stay where you are, especially if you do not have an intimate relationship with Him
1 Thessalonians 5:Notice the very good news here. If you permit Him to do so, He shall make you sanctified, meaning being able to live with Him in Heaven.
23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 He who calls you is faithful; he will surely do it.
So there you have it. It is the entire Bible condensed in 3 verses.
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