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Does God form birth defects in people?

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Does a loving God purposely form people in the womb with birth defects?

John 9:2-3 And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?

To me, there are a couple ways of looking at these verses.

If we connect these two verses together it would seem that God does purposely form people in the womb with birth defects but if we look at these two verses separately and try not to add to the verses things that are not being said I believe we can get a better understanding.

Let's start with John 9:2-3 first.

John 9:2-3 And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Even though we read into these verses how God formed this man blind in the womb Jesus never says God formed the man in the womb blind. Are people born with birth defects? Yes they are... Does God abort them knowing that they will be born blind? No... Can God use birth defects and trageties to reveal His love and power after the fact by bringing good out of evil? Yes He can...

Isaiah 61:3 To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified."

I believe the man was born blind because sin enter into God's perfect world and brought sickness and death, not because of anything an unborn child has done. God allowed this child to be born blind knowing full well that the child was blind in the womb. God does the same for murders and child molesters. He knows the free will choices we will make and yet He still allows us to experience the blessings of life in hopes that we would see His goodnss and repent.

Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

God allowed the child to be born blind and then later healed that blindness to show His glory and ability to turn beauty from ashes.

Now regarding Exodus 4:11.

Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?

Here we have Moses giving excuses as to why he can't speak for God. God then tells Moses how He can make people deaf, blind and mute and He can give them sight or make them blind all after the fact. Has God made people blide and mute after the fact for a purpose? Yes He has...

Acts 9:8-9 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Luke 1:21-22 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marveled that he lingered so long in the temple. When he came out, he could not speak to them. They realized he had seen a vision in the temple, for he kept making signs to them but remained unable to speak.

It does not say that God forms them in the womb blind or deaf but it does say He makes people blind, deaf and mute after the fact for a purpose.

It all boils down to what you choose to believe about the character of God.
 
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Does a loving God purposely form people in the womb with birth defects?

John 9:2-3 And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?

To me, there are a couple ways of looking at these verses.

If we connect these two verses together it would seem that God does purposely form people in the womb with birth defects but if we look at these two verses separately and try not to add to the verses things that are not being said I believe we can get a better understanding.

Let's start with John 9:2-3 first.

John 9:2-3 And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.

Even though we read into these verses how God formed this man blind in the womb Jesus never says God formed the man in the womb blind. Are people born with birth defects? Yes they are... Does God abort them knowing that they will be born blind? No... Can God use birth defects and trageties to reveal His love and power after the fact by bringing good out of evil? Yes He can...

Isaiah 61:3 To console those who mourn in Zion, To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified."

I believe the man was born blind because sin enter into God's perfect world and brought sickness and death, not because of anything an unborn child has done. God allowed this child to be born blind knowing full well that the child was blind in the womb. God does the same for murders and child molesters. He knows the free will choices we will make and yet He still allows us to experience the blessings of life in hopes that we would see His goodnss and repent.

Romans 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?

God allowed the child to be born blind and then later healed that blindness to show His glory and ability to turn beauty from ashes.

Now regarding Exodus 4:11.

Exodus 4:11 The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?

Here we have Moses giving excuses as to why he can't speak for God. God then tells Moses how He can make people deaf, blind and mute and He can give them sight or make them blind all after the fact. Has God made people blide and mute after the fact for a purpose? Yes He has...

Acts 9:8-9 Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Luke 1:21-22 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marveled that he lingered so long in the temple. When he came out, he could not speak to them. They realized he had seen a vision in the temple, for he kept making signs to them but remained unable to speak.

It does not say that God forms them in the womb blind or deaf but it does say He makes people blind, deaf and mute after the fact for a purpose.

It all boils down to what you choose to believe about the character of God.
K4c,

Isa 54:16
16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. KJV

God is all in all.

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K4c,

Isa 54:16
16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. KJV

God is all in all.

Joe

Oh yes, God created these free will agents to become whoever or whatever they choose to become. God even created the angel who later became Satan. Now read the verse that precedes your verse.

Isa 54:15 If any one stirs up strife, it is not from me; whoever stirs up strife with you shall fall because of you.
 
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Oh yes, God created these free will agents to become whoever or whatever they choose to become. God even created the angel who later became Satan. Now read the verse that precedes your verse.

Isa 54:15 If any one stirs up strife, it is not from me; whoever stirs up strife with you shall fall because of you.
k4c,

Isa 54:15-17
15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. KJV

Isa 63:9-10
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. KJV

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k4c,

Isa 54:15-17
15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. KJV

Isa 63:9-10
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. KJV

Joe

It's no doubt that God has created beings who have been ordained to uphold civil law and to administer God's wrath upon evil.

Romans 13:1-4 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God's servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God's servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong.

Exodus 12:23 "For the LORD will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you.

But to say that God would purposely form defects in a baby while in the womb just to have a deformed baby I believe is stepping outside of God's loving character.
 
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Rom 2:5-6
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: KJV

Rev 18:7-9
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, KJV

The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it.

Our hearts are speaking differently than our mouths are speaking.

Joe
 
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Rom 2:5-6
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: KJV

Rev 18:7-9
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, KJV

The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it.

Our hearts are speaking differently than our mouths are speaking.

Joe

Amen...
 
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Rom 2:5-6
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: KJV

Rev 18:7-9
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, KJV

The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it.

Our hearts are speaking differently than our mouths are speaking.

Joe

This is a picture of the religion of our flesh, the natural religion of the heart.

Joe
 
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I dont know if God forms that defects, could be, or maybe not. Sometimes its better not to know all the answers, they might be shocking, once I even thought that people with extreme handicaps might be angels and not real humans, but thats the land of phantasy.

but what is interesting about the verse is the question the disciples asked, the wording to be exact, did he or his parents sin that he was born blind. I mean how can he have sinned and afterwards been born blind?? there is a logical error, or isnt? ;) at least its an interesting verse in the bible,
 
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