Does God Forget Our Sins?

[DiscipleDave]

Well, when Jesus died for us He died for our future sins, all of the sins still belonged to the future. This Including, from our perspective, both our past, present and future sins.

i understand this is how you believe, and alot of people believe this also, so if you do not mind, please show me Sriptures that teach this, that way i will believe it too. But until someone can show me Scriptures that say what you said above, i will have to believe Scriptures that teach, those sins that ARE PAST only. By all means, please, please show me Scriptures that not only PAST sins are forgiven, but the ones i do today and all the ones in the Future. Please show me these verses in Scriptures that support that ideal, so i can believe it too. But if you cannot show me Scriptures that support that belief, then i will have no alternative to believe that that kind of thinking is precepts of men, and not of God.

Look forward to hearing these Scriptures that make you believe what you do.

[bible]Romans 3:25[/bible]

As far as i know there are no other verses that say contrary to this verse.

 

[ps139]

[bible]Jeremiah 31:34[/bible]

[bible]Isaiah 43:25[/bible]


Well, look at it this way. He can not lie - would He not find a way to forget our sins also?

I liked what a person said earlier in this thread: 'Does He see you? - no' 'Does He see Jesus - yes'
Like when the high priest had to swing the incense at the altar - God 'saw through the incense' - and He 'sees us through Jesus.'

I do not believe that the ability to forget is synonymous with omniscience.

Why do we forget things? Because our minds are finite. There is only so much info we can squeeze in, and use at once. Also, in the case of true memory loss and Alzheimer's, forgetting involves the decay and loss of brain cells. God doesn't have brain cells, nothing in His "mind" can possibly decay.

Forget in this context must mean "not count the sins against us."

Also, I do not buy the idea of the Father only seeing Jesus and not us when He looks at us. It sounds to me like tricking God. God cannot be tricked. If we are what He is "viewing" then we are what He "sees."

He does not let blackened hearts into Heaven, He gives us grace to purify these hearts.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Hey Bill (Ps139)!


To all of us: Yep you! And me (now how do I wave to myself.....LOL)

I like to keep being reminded that there is always bitter herbs to be eaten along with the Pass Over lamb, which in the same Lamb Who keeps my life straight,...
[bible]Galatians 2:20-21[/bible]

The bitter herb are to remind us all what sin does to us if we dwell in it too long, as God taught the Children of Israel. It becomes hard bondage with harsh task masters. But the God who took Israel out to bring her in is The God I serve and Love. He is Our Lord and Savior and King!!

He does not let blackened hearts into Heaven, He gives us grace to purify these hearts.

Bill, I love the way you too can mention the bitter herbs in such a way that we can not forget to work out the cleansing of our own heart land as we partake the Lamb of God into our lives - in utterly destroying the enemies (blackened spots) from off our heart-land!!! Bless you Bill!


Peace to all here who call upon the Name of The Lord,
Connie

 

[ReBjorn]

I do not believe that the ability to forget is synonymous with omniscience.

Why do we forget things? Because our minds are finite. There is only so much info we can squeeze in, and use at once. Also, in the case of true memory loss and Alzheimer's, forgetting involves the decay and loss of brain cells. God doesn't have brain cells, nothing in His "mind" can possibly decay.

Forget in this context must mean "not count the sins against us."

Also, I do not buy the idea of the Father only seeing Jesus and not us when He looks at us. It sounds to me like tricking God. God cannot be tricked. If we are what He is "viewing" then we are what He "sees."

He does not let blackened hearts into Heaven, He gives us grace to purify these hearts.

So we disagree a little. But praise God, everything's gonna be allright!

 

[ReBjorn]

i understand this is how you believe, and alot of people believe this also, so if you do not mind, please show me Sriptures that teach this, that way i will believe it too. But until someone can show me Scriptures that say what you said above, i will have to believe Scriptures that teach, those sins that ARE PAST only. By all means, please, please show me Scriptures that not only PAST sins are forgiven, but the ones i do today and all the ones in the Future. Please show me these verses in Scriptures that support that ideal, so i can believe it too. But if you cannot show me Scriptures that support that belief, then i will have no alternative to believe that that kind of thinking is precepts of men, and not of God.

Look forward to hearing these Scriptures that make you believe what you do.

[bible]Romans 3:25[/bible]

As far as i know there are no other verses that say contrary to this verse.

[bible]1 John 2:1-2[/bible]

[bible]1 Peter 3:18[/bible]

I found an interesting thread on the subject, maybe you would want to have a look at it?
I've only read a little bit about it, but I hope it'll be useful: Link

 

[ReBjorn]

Also, I'd like to say: What if I died before I confessed a sin, asking Him for forgiveness..
I was planning to ask for His forgiveness, but I had no time.

Now, if you are going to be dogmatic about sins having to be confessed in order to be saved, would one not also have to say that in the above mentioned case, one would not go to heaven because one hasn't confessed that sin?

Not saying one should not confess sins, ask God for forgiveness and all that. This is of course important!

But our Lord is greater than we think.

Just some thoughts.

 

[ps139]

Also, I'd like to say: What if I died before I confessed a sin, asking Him for forgiveness..
I was planning to ask for His forgiveness, but I had no time.

Now, if you are going to be dogmatic about sins having to be confessed in order to be saved, would one not also have to say that in the above mentioned case, one would not go to heaven because one hasn't confessed that sin?

Not saying one should not confess sins, ask God for forgiveness and all that. This is of course important!

But our Lord is greater than we think.

Just some thoughts.

Good question, I believe as the Bible says that God knows the words on our tongue before we say them. In other words, if in our hearts we are repentant, but we die before verbal confession - God knows our hearts, and our intents and our repentance. And that is what counts, ultimately.

 

[Gal328]

If one is a Christian and sins, and is granted forgiveness by God, does God forgot the sin?

Yes

 

[BereanWorkman]

You posted a good question, and I would like to talk to you about that. I also have a indepth study on this, if you are interested please let me know

 

[catlover]

You posted a good question, and I would like to talk to you about that. I also have a indepth study on this, if you are interested please let me know

That sounds interesting BereanWorkman. Yes, I am interested.

 

[DiscipleDave]

[bible]1 John 2:1-2[/bible]

[bible]1 Peter 3:18[/bible]

I found an interesting thread on the subject, maybe you would want to have a look at it?
I've only read a little bit about it, but I hope it'll be useful: Link

I John 2:1: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. ( NOTICE there is a PERIOD at the end of that sentence. Christians are not to sin, there are many other verses that say that also such as I John 3:6, ) And if any man sin, ( Not talking about those who Sin not, that is those who are instructed not to sin ) we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: ( Yes we, have Jesus that can give them Salvation also, to those who sin )
2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only ( Because He already Saved us, when we accepted Him ), but also for the sins of the whole world. ( Yes those who do sin )

How about we don't stop there but continue a little bit more, verse:

4: He that saith, I know him ( you know, someone that claims to be Saved ), and keepeth not his commandments ( Doesn't obey what He tells them to do, like obeying satan and committing a sin, when we are instructed not to sin ), is a liar, and the truth is not in him. < 1Jn:1:6: If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: says the same thing >
5: But whoso keepeth his word ( That is whoever does what He says < I John 3:6 > says that also ) , in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. ( i see, so we know that we are Christian, when we obey Christ, makes since )
6: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. ( hhhmmmmm How did Christ walk ??? )

Anyway, i do not see at all, what these verses have to do with being able to recieve forgiveness of sins even the ones that we have not committed yet. These verses do not suggest that, or even imply that we do, For it is clear Christians are not to knowingly and willingly commit sin

1Jn:3:6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

You give another verse, that you say allows us forgiveness of sins that we do in the future as well as all the ones in the past.

I Peter 3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Please explain this verse to me, why you think this is relevent to having sins forgiven in the past as well as the present and the future. Because i do not see how that verse remotely implies that He does.

Question: What part of the Bible teaches us that it is OK to commit sins ? NONE. Matters of Fact doesn't the entire Bible ( IN context ) teach us to stay away from sin, how to stay away from it, what to do when temptations come, how to fight the devil and his ways ? Doesn't the entire Words of God teach us to stay away from sin, even to the point to stay away from those who do sin ? Yes it does.
What sin do you do that you CANNOT possibly cease from ??? That question was given to me, directly from Jesus Christ Himself to ask people, in hopes to WAKE them up, and cease from them. THERE IS NO SIN, YOU CAN'T STOP FROM, the Question then is WHY are you not stopping from doing them ???
Christ gave His LIFE for you, you in a like manner give up sins for HIM.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Also, I'd like to say: What if I died before I confessed a sin, asking Him for forgiveness..

I was planning to ask for His forgiveness, but I had no time.

Now, if you are going to be dogmatic about sins having to be confessed in order to be saved, would one not also have to say that in the above mentioned case, one would not go to heaven because one hasn't confessed that sin?

Not saying one should not confess sins, ask God for forgiveness and all that. This is of course important!

But our Lord is greater than we think.

Just some thoughts.

When one accepts Jesus Christ as there Savior and Lord all their sins that they have ever done up to the point of them accepting Christ is forgiven, wiped away, forgotten. Any sins after this point, AFter you told Christ that He is your Master and Savior, and your EVERYTHING, sins after you ACCEPTED SALVATION is what will be Judged on Judgement DAY. Please hearken unto me, Judgement DAY is not to judge the Saved from the Unsaved, the unsaved are judged already, and need not any farther judgement. Christians will be judged by their actions after they have accepted Christ. and this is Scriptural.

Read where Jesus separate the goats from the sheep in Matthew 25, it is interesting that both call Jesus Christ LORD, both Knew He was Christ and acknowledged Him as Lord, Yet they are being judged by what they did, their deeds once they have accepted Christ, the sheep did what the Words instructed them to do, while the goats did not do what the Words of God instructed them to do, and even confused about when they did not do them. Please read the Parable. and see that they both, the sheep and the goats are those who believed in Christ, both professing Him to be LORD.

Not convinced, how about another verse:

Rv:20:12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

NOTICE who is being JUDGED here: Those who are in the BOOK OF LIFE, those who accepted Christ as their Savior and Lord, those who claim to be SAVED. This verse is in no way talking about the UNSAVED, they are judged already, and they are deffinately not in the Book of Life, The works of the UnSAVED are not judged, but the works of those who have accepted Christ shall be judged out of those things written in the Book of LIfe, according to their deeds.
Here is a Truth, Jesus Christ will forgive you of any particular sin, only after you have ceased from them. All sins that you do without ceasing from them, are those sins that you will stand before God on Judgement Day and answer for them, explaining to God Almighty why you ( as a Born again Christian ) did not cease from your sins.
He that hath ears let them hear what a servant of God is telling you. When you accept Christ and your name is written in the Books, all sins that are past are forgiven you, ANY sin that you do after this, is written in the books, so you will be accountable for every word, every deed that you have ever did after you accepted Christ as your Savior and Lord and Master.
Mt:12:36: But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Question, is this verse valid, if you say something evil to someone, but then you repent. and if you do, then your word is NOT held accountable on that DAY ???? NOT. The verse means what it says, EVERY IDLE Word that you shall speak, shall in fact, be written down in the books, regardless if you repent of them or not, and everything that is written in those books, is what you will be judged on.
So keep on telling dirty jokes, and laughing at dirty jokes and the such, keep on looking at porn, keep on not helping those in need around you, keep on not giving to the bum on the street because he's probably a trillionaire, keep on doing those things that you know full well is against Christ, yet you do them anyway, keep on, because all of it, you will have to answer for on Judgement Day, every idle word you do, you will have to give account thereof, every deed that you do, you will give accout thereof, every deed that you do not do, you will give account thereof.
When you accept Christ as your Savior and Lord, your name only is not all that is written down, but your name, and EVERYTHING you do and say is being written down from that point on, to either Death, your Killed, or Christ Returns.
Am i teaching anything new here ? NO, Scriptures teach this, and the Disciples taught this, and it is the Truth.

Mt:22:14: For many are called, but few are chosen.

How are they chosen ?? Judgement Day and what is written in the books.

Mt:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Behold, i have told you how to get to this path. Up to you whether you take it or not.

Love you all, may God bless you all and all those that you love, and that love you

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