Does God forget a Christian's Sins...?

[reddogs]

if the Christian does not confess them and repent from them and iniquity......

We know what happens when we bring them before the Lord and confess our sins....


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Isaiah 43:25
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

But if we keep them hidden and do not confess and hold on to the iniquity, then what.........?


Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Does a Christian loose salvation...?

 

[ChrisCarol]

if the Christian does not confess them and repent from them and iniquity......

We know what happens when we bring them before the Lord and confess our sins....


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Isaiah 43:25
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

But if we keep them hidden and do not confess and hold on to the iniquity, then what.........?


Matthew 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Does a Christian loose salvation...?

What about the ones you don't even know you've committed???

 

[Kira Light]

What about the ones you don't even know you've committed???

You mean like the billions of Christians who don't keep the 4th commandment? Temporary hell fire should teach them the error of their ways

 

[ChrisCarol]

You mean like the billions of Christians who don't keep the 4th commandment? Temporary hell fire should teach them the error of their ways

I speak of sins we committ to one another because of our human predestination to be selfish.

Matthew 22:37-39




37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

and to go along with verse 27:

Matthew 25:40
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Something to think about.

 

[JohnMarsten]

a horrible topic that is being discussed....

personally I just hope everything will be fine in the end...

there are different kinds of sin though IMHO

there are sins that require a substancial amount of premeditation, for example to murder somebody. I highly doubt that a christian who is led by the Holy Spirit would fall that much. However, there is the story of David, well... so in the end everything becomes possible... unfortunately...

anyways... and there are sins that, well I dont know, they just come and stay for a while... lets take that lustful look at a woman... hmmm ... it may overcome a man... how about that? oh, yeah... apparently it can even lead to murder

no seriously, like I said, I hope that everything will be fine in the end. as a human being we can just pray to the Lord and hope that He will forgive every sin like He did to David.

Personally I like and dislike the idea of once saved always saved. On the one hand it creates some sort of peace of mind and then once we have sinned we feel terrible (I guess and hope so), it creates a feeling of disgust (against ourselves) we feel that we are lost, and maybe we are, and then comes the time when we reconcile ourselves with the Lord.

The important thing to remember is that the righteous man will fall seven times, yet he will always rise up again, and seven times means innumerable times... (otherwise I would be lost forever already .

I think God will do everything to make that once saved always saved miracle happen.

Yet there is a passage in the bible which reminds us continuous deliberate sin after being saved, I can only hope it means that this kind of person will sin and it will not bother him or her in any way... they will not feel terrible because they know that Christ has died for their sins no matter how many they have received a free pass to do whatever like and yet be saved, these might be the foolish bridemaids. remember, all of them maids had fallen asleep... but some of them have taken the whole matter more seriously than the others and arranged for more oil, while the others, yes, they were foolish... I hope I will not fall into the latter category, none of us should fall into that bottomless pit!

May God bless you all in all of your doings and not destroy your soul in hell. one day..!

 

[JohnMarsten]

oh and yes, when we will be in heaven our sins will have been forgotten...

and those who will enter heaven have been know to Him before the creation of the world, so our sins are forgotten...

yet David had to pay the consequences... thus paying another penny to get out...

 

[phoenixdem]

You mean like the billions of Christians who don't keep the 4th commandment? Temporary hell fire should teach them the error of their ways

You guys are really hung up on this aren't you?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Any sins we commit that we are not truly aware of, God winks in our times of ignorance.

Jesus taught that it is not only murder that is the transgression of the Law but anger at another carries the same penalty. The spirit of the Law boils the big ones down to their infancy, the temptation or thought that germinates into the eventual big transgression. Thinking if a woman inappropriately might seem innocent enough, but every incidence of adultry has started with the lustful thought.

As we grow closer and closer to God and ask Him to search us and to reveal to us the hidden sins in our lives, then we are responsible to repent of them as they are brought to light. The eventual goal is perfection of character as we purge ourselves of sin through repentence and confront temptation with prayer. Remember, temptation is not sin as Christ was tempted, it is the contemplation of the temptation without turning from it, that leads to sin.

 

[ChrisCarol]

Any sins we commit that we are not truly aware of, God winks in our times of ignorance.

Jesus taught that it is not only murder that is the transgression of the Law but anger at another carries the same penalty. The spirit of the Law boils the big ones down to their infancy, the temptation or thought that germinates into the eventual big transgression. Thinking if a woman inappropriately might seem innocent enough, but every incidence of adultry has started with the lustful thought.

As we grow closer and closer to God and ask Him to search us and to reveal to us the hidden sins in our lives, then we are responsible to repent of them as they are brought to light. The eventual goal is perfection of character as we purge ourselves of sin through repentence and confront temptation with prayer. Remember, temptation is not sin as Christ was tempted, it is the contemplation of the temptation without turning from it, that leads to sin.

If it's not backed up by scripture it means nothing to me. I do not mean this as insulting but that is my platform.

BTW I know where my words come from:
Luke 21:15

15 for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute.

Check out the Thread: The Plan from Adam's Fall
227 reads and no resists oor refutes.





God Bless

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Sorry, I didn't realize you didn't have this understanding from scripture. I'm used to speaking with people that know these concepts... here's some scriptures to back up what i said in my post.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Matt 5:21,22
Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment...

1 Kings 8:61
Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

Eph 4:12,13
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Phill 3:13-15
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,


I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

2 Tim 3:16,17
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Heb 13:21
Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

James 3:2
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Matt 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[reddogs]

What about the ones you don't even know you've committed???

Well lets see what scripture tells us...



4Or if a soul swear, pronouncing with his lips to do evil, or to do good, whatsoever it be that a man shall pronounce with an oath, and it be hid from him; when he knoweth of it, then he shall be guilty in one of these. 5And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in one of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing: Leviticus 5:4-6

When you become aware of the sin, then the guilt applies, so all the ones you dont know or of ommission God in his mercy does not hold against us.

David and Solomon make it even clearer........

I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.Psalm 32:5


He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.Proverbs 28:13

and here we see Daniel in prayer....

20And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.Daniel 9:20-21

So now lets look in Christs time.......

Matthew 3


1In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
5Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mark 1


1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
3The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
4John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 5And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.


and here we see the people confessed the evil deeds they were doing after being convicted of the truth...
11And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

12So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
13Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
17And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Acts 19 11-18


and here Paul makes clear that we need to confess and give account to not a priest or confessor in a booth, but to God...



10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.Romans 14:10-12

and the verses go on and on that we need to confess our sins and repent of them and turn them over to Christ to be cleansed of them......

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

But some Christians rather hold on to them and insist they are not sin, so what happens then when they are judged......

 

[reddogs]

a horrible topic that is being discussed....

personally I just hope everything will be fine in the end...

there are different kinds of sin though IMHO

there are sins that require a substancial amount of premeditation, for example to murder somebody. I highly doubt that a christian who is led by the Holy Spirit would fall that much. However, there is the story of David, well... so in the end everything becomes possible... unfortunately...

anyways... and there are sins that, well I dont know, they just come and stay for a while... lets take that lustful look at a woman... hmmm ... it may overcome a man... how about that? oh, yeah... apparently it can even lead to murder

no seriously, like I said, I hope that everything will be fine in the end. as a human being we can just pray to the Lord and hope that He will forgive every sin like He did to David.

Personally I like and dislike the idea of once saved always saved. On the one hand it creates some sort of peace of mind and then once we have sinned we feel terrible (I guess and hope so), it creates a feeling of disgust (against ourselves) we feel that we are lost, and maybe we are, and then comes the time when we reconcile ourselves with the Lord.

The important thing to remember is that the righteous man will fall seven times, yet he will always rise up again, and seven times means innumerable times... (otherwise I would be lost forever already .

I think God will do everything to make that once saved always saved miracle happen.

Yet there is a passage in the bible which reminds us continuous deliberate sin after being saved, I can only hope it means that this kind of person will sin and it will not bother him or her in any way... they will not feel terrible because they know that Christ has died for their sins no matter how many they have received a free pass to do whatever like and yet be saved, these might be the foolish bridemaids. remember, all of them maids had fallen asleep... but some of them have taken the whole matter more seriously than the others and arranged for more oil, while the others, yes, they were foolish... I hope I will not fall into the latter category, none of us should fall into that bottomless pit!

May God bless you all in all of your doings and not destroy your soul in hell. one day..!

There is nothing horrible about teaching the truth God gives us, it is a blessing and joy to learn and gain understanding of it and the gift of salvation he gives us....unless we only claim to accept Christ and try to hide the evil and continue in sin......

Philippians 3
15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

 

[JohnMarsten]

There is nothing horrible about teaching the truth God gives us, it is a blessing and joy to learn and gain understanding of it and the gift of salvation he gives us....unless we only claim to accept Christ and try to hide the evil and continue in sin......

Philippians 3
15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
17Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

sin is a horrible topic for me. because it is always there... can anyone say he or she is not a sinner?

 

[ChrisCarol]

Sorry, I didn't realize you didn't have this understanding from scripture. I'm used to speaking with people that know these concepts... here's some scriptures to back up what i said in my post.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

This was the thought(God winnking) that I had need of scripture for.

I think you have taken liberty with this scripture to mean something that it does not mean. We can see from in context that it means something different.
Acts 17
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

I think what was being repented of was the worship of idols in gold, silver and stone. They did not know better then but now they have seen.

Thank you

 

[ricker]

This was the thought(God winnking) that I had need of scripture for.

I think you have taken liberty with this scripture to mean something that it does not mean. We can see from in context that it means something different.
Acts 17
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

I think what was being repented of was the worship of idols in gold, silver and stone. They did not know better then but now they have seen.

Thank you

To elaborate the context is speaking of the people of Athens (Gentiles) who worshipped idols, and how that the time of salvation has now came to them through the one true God. It is more about how now all people are chosen.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

This was the thought(God winnking) that I had need of scripture for.

I think you have taken liberty with this scripture to mean something that it does not mean. We can see from in context that it means something different.
Acts 17
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

I think what was being repented of was the worship of idols in gold, silver and stone. They did not know better then but now they have seen.

Thank you

The fact that it was referencing idol worship which is a transgression of the Law, and sin being the transgression of the Law, then this premise applies to any trangression of the Law.

 

[ChrisCarol]

The fact that it was referencing idol worship which is a transgression of the Law, and sin being the transgression of the Law, then this premise applies to any trangression of the Law.

I understand the scripture as it is written:

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Key word in the underlined: past

What does the but mean?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I understand the scripture as it is written:

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Key word in the underlined: past

What does the but mean?

Did God overlook the golden calf the Israelites made? If you take this scripture only as it is written, then God had no place being upset before this scripture was written, right?

 

[ricker]

I understand the scripture as it is written:

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Key word in the underlined: past

What does the but mean?

Yes! In context this is speaking specifically about the Jews, who were God's chosen people, and how now "people everywhere" are called to repentance. This is not a passage saying that anyone can use ignorance as an excuse.

 

[ChrisCarol]

Originally Posted by ChrisCarol

I understand the scripture as it is written:

29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Key word in the underlined: past

What does the but mean?
​

Did God overlook the golden calf the Israelites made? If you take this scripture only as it is written, then God had no place being upset before this scripture was written, right?

I in no way ever conclude that God should or should not do or do not.

..but now HE commands that all people everywhere to repent.

My question: what does the 'but' mean?