"Does God exist?" Only someone, already in God, can know!

[steve_bakr]

How do you come to know God exists?

It begins with faith and, for some people, faith becomes knowing.

 

[Gottservant]

I don't recall atheists believing any Gods so I am assuming "atheist God" was a joke. So how do you become in God?

Fear God.

Or take laughing at God so seriously that you in some way die (that really scares people).

I don't recommend doing the latter out loud until you are confident, in what you believe.

If you fear God, you will ask yourself "Where is he?" and the answer will return to you that it seems like He is everywhere (when you don't know where the Fear is coming from). If God is everywhere, you can only assume you are in God. From there, Wisdom can begin to speak to you about identifying the nature of God.

Knowing the nature of God, is for example, useful if you want to know if other people are pretending to be God when they are not, whether people plan to actually do something with their lives on the basis of where they think God is most likely to be, or how strong your faith is (for the purpose of good works and belief) compared to others who also "claim" to fear God and thus whether or not there is a future with them, in that Name or another.

These are just a few of the perks I am aware of, to begin with, though (I think) obviously the Fear of God makes anything possible

 

[madaz]

The only justification I need comes from God. As Brother Lawrence said, there is a point where faith becomes lost in sight so that, instead of believing, we know.

But you dont actually know.......you just believe you "know".

There is a big difference!

It appears Brother Lawrence's sight became lost in his faith.

 

[Gottservant]

Copied detail added to OP for clarity.

"In a thread about being in God, whether or not you actualize the knowledge of God as a result, you cannot be said to have used your brain, unless you at least attempt it.

Someone who has attempted to be in God, knows that He is harder to find, than a guess at the place of a raindrop in the universe!"

 

[madaz]

It begins with faith and, for some people, faith becomes knowing.

When faith turns to knowledge, faith is rendered redundant.

 

[steve_bakr]

But you dont actually know.......you just believe you "know".

There is a big difference!

It appears Brother Lawrence's sight became lost in his faith.

Not only do I know God exists, but I know that I know. My conscious awareness in my daily life becomes not only a relatedness to God, but access to His grace...

"Grace...always surrounds man, even the sinner and the unbeliever, as the inescapable setting of his existence." (Karl Rahner)

So,, you can accept or reject grace, but it is always right there offering itself to you as you experience God in the coscious awareness of your daily life.

 

[Davian]

I don't have a burden of proof because I KNOW that God exists. It goes beyond having a "belief" in God.

But I would say about the existence of God that, in view of my experience of the created world, I would maintain that it is impossible that there is not a God.

Copied detail added to OP for clarity.

"In a thread about being in God, whether or not you actualize the knowledge of God as a result, you cannot be said to have used your brain, unless you at least attempt it.

Someone who has attempted to be in God, knows that He is harder to find, than a guess at the place of a raindrop in the universe!"

In the same thread, we have a god that is impossible not to exist, and another that is more elusive than can be coherently described.

It does appear that y'all just making this up as ya go along.

 

[steve_bakr]

When faith turns to knowledge, faith is rendered redundant.

When faith becomes sight, faith is no longer necessary as it once was. Because, instead of believing, one knows.

But faith is available to everyone. It is simply the tacit affirmation that God is in the conscious awareness of our daily life.

 

[steve_bakr]

In the same thread, we have a god that is impossible not to exist, and another that is more elusive than can be coherently described.

It does appear that y'all just making this up as ya go along.

As we experience God in the conscious awareness of our daily life, we also realize that, in this life, God remains unfathomable.

But the peak of His self-communication to us Jesus Christ.

I can only relate to you my own experience. You have the freedom to reject it, if you so choose. But He is nevertheless still there in the conscious awareness of your daily life.

 

[Davian]

As we experience God in the conscious awareness of our daily life, we also realize that, in this life, God remains unfathomable.

Or, to be more accurate, of no significance.

But the peak of His self-communication to us Jesus Christ.

Do you hear voices?

I can only relate to you my own experience.

That is the problem, right there. You inability to provide anything else to support your religious claims.

You have the freedom to reject it, if you so choose.

Reject it? I am not even sure what you are claiming. You claim to know, but you are not being very clear about it.

But He is nevertheless still there in the conscious awareness of your daily life.

Just not in any way that you can demonstrate.

 

[distraff]

We know God exists not because we come to understand this so-called fact in any analytical, reasoned way. It is because of the impossible God who is somehow possible, that knowledge of Him is actually gained. It is completely due to the Grace of the Divine and accessing that Grace, that such a thing as seeing God can happen.

So basically you are saying we can know God exists because of religious experience with him?

 

[Gottservant]

When faith turns to knowledge, faith is rendered redundant.

Unless honour requires a name.

A name does not come without faith, a work and a perspective.

I do never the less find your statement, to be the most cogent and coherent sumation of belief-less faith (that I have heard, it was quite impressive actually).

It may be that you are never recognized for your Wisdom, ever again in your life.

 

[Gottservant]

In the same thread, we have a god that is impossible not to exist, and another that is more elusive than can be coherently described.

It does appear that y'all just making this up as ya go along.

Jesus is doubly God.

Of both faith (the former) and belief (the latter).

What you are hoping we will say, is something that proves He was neither.

It cannot be done.

 

[Gottservant]

So basically you are saying we can know God exists because of religious experience with him?

It's not religious until you give it a Name.

Every thing else is speculation.

 

[distraff]

It begins with faith and, for some people, faith becomes knowing.

How does faith become knowing for these people?

 

[distraff]

Fear God.

Or take laughing at God so seriously that you in some way die (that really scares people).

I don't recommend doing the latter out loud until you are confident, in what you believe.

If you fear God, you will ask yourself "Where is he?" and the answer will return to you that it seems like He is everywhere (when you don't know where the Fear is coming from). If God is everywhere, you can only assume you are in God. From there, Wisdom can begin to speak to you about identifying the nature of God.

Knowing the nature of God, is for example, useful if you want to know if other people are pretending to be God when they are not, whether people plan to actually do something with their lives on the basis of where they think God is most likely to be, or how strong your faith is (for the purpose of good works and belief) compared to others who also "claim" to fear God and thus whether or not there is a future with them, in that Name or another.

These are just a few of the perks I am aware of, to begin with, though (I think) obviously the Fear of God makes anything possible

Why would any benevolent being want me to fear him?

 

[madaz]

When faith turns to knowledge, faith is rendered redundant.

Unless honour requires a name.

"Unless honour requires a name" does not follow the redundancy of faith by virtue of knowledge. Please be kind enough to rationally clarify your non sequitur?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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