Does Free Will Exist?

[Ken-1122]

(quote) Do you think free will exists?

Yes

(quote)If yes, how does it exist if cause and effect determines everything?

(reply)I don’t think cause and effect determines everything

(quote)If you do not think cause and effect determines everything, then give an example.

(reply) I don’t think it determines all of our thoughts.

Ken

 

[jonmichael818]

(reply) I don’t think it determines all of our thoughts.

Ken

How so?

 

[Ken-1122]

There may be a cause for our thoughts and what we do, but we decide how we are affected by the cause.

Ken

 

[Tinker Grey]

Isn't your decision as to how you are affected, also caused?

 

[Ken-1122]

I don't necessarly decide how I am affected, I deciede how I react to what effects me.

K

 

[Ken-1122]

In my previous post, I noticed a mistake. I should have said:
There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

 

[jonmichael818]

There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

 

[ThePresbyteers]

How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

After you find the source of your thoughts.
Christian Zen will help you trace your thoughts back to the original source.

The Key: UNDO

 

[ThePresbyteers]

In my previous post, I noticed a mistake. I should have said:
There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

Way too late to react to the thoughts created by God. God is far ahead of you in the Present. You're not really paying attention to the present, so you're LATE !

You have to respond to the thoughts already there.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Way too late to react to the thoughts created by God. God is far ahead of you in the Present. You're not really paying attention to the present, so you're LATE !

You have to respond to the thoughts already there.

Doesn't that presuppose the existence of God, which Ken, an atheist, doesn't necessarily ascribe to?

 

[ThePresbyteers]

Doesn't that presuppose the existence of God, which Ken, an atheist, doesn't necessarily ascribe to?

The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

 

[sandwiches]

The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

In all seriousness, I wonder if all the mental gymnastics the religious have to do to wedge reality into their beliefs warps the way they think.

In other words, what the heck are you saying and how is any of that related to the quoted post? You sound like Greg.

 

[jonmichael818]

The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

That's cool. Any proof ?

 

[jonmichael818]

After you find the source of your thoughts.
Christian Zen will help you trace your thoughts back to the original source.

The Key: UNDO

Ok, sooooo do you believe in free will? If so, how does this Christian Zen avoid cause and effect?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

What's an 'unregenerate'? What do goats have to do with anything?

My post pointed out that your response to Ken only works if Ken believes in God, which he obviously doesn't. Given that, I have absolutely no idea what relevance your post has to either mine or Ken's.

Your posts verge on those of trolls - you don't contribute to the topic at hand, your posts are unrelated to those quoted, you use insulting and derogatory language where none is necessary, etc. I've talked to Christians before, and none of them sought to besmirch the name of Christ by acting with such arrogance and self-righteousness.

So much for humility being a virtue, eh...

 

[Ken-1122]

Jonmichael (quote)” How do we decide how we react to thoughts?”

(reply) By using our brain. It isn’t something you decide, it’s something you do; that’s how the brain works.

K

 

[jonmichael818]

Jonmichael (quote)” How do we decide how we react to thoughts?”

(reply) By using our brain.

Ok, so how does the brain work?

It isn’t something you decide, it’s something you do;

How is it done?

that’s how the brain works.

How does the brain work such that it is able to react to thoughts?

 

[Ken-1122]

Jonmichale (quote)” How does the brain work such that it is able to react to thoughts?”

(reply) I don’t know. There is much about the human brain that I don’t know. Do you?

K

 

[ThePresbyteers]

What's an 'unregenerate'? What do goats have to do with anything?---

The unregenrates are those that stay in the beliefs they were born with. They remain in that state for the rest of their lives. The goats are frequently used as a symbolic to people that are being sent to hell by the Lord, Himself, they never believed in.

 

[Ken-1122]

The Presbyteer (quote)” The unregenrates are those that stay in the beliefs they were born with. They remain in that state for the rest of their lives.”

(reply) Humm… So would you agree that most Christians are "unregenerates"? Are YOU an unregenerate?

Ken