Does Free Will Exist?

Ken-1122 · Mar 23, 2011

(quote) Do you think free will exists?

Yes

(quote)If yes, how does it exist if cause and effect determines everything?

(reply)I dont think cause and effect determines everything

(quote)If you do not think cause and effect determines everything, then give an example.

(reply) I dont think it determines all of our thoughts.

Ken

jonmichael818 · Mar 23, 2011

Ken-1122 said:
(reply) I dont think it determines all of our thoughts.

Ken

How so?

Ken-1122 · Mar 24, 2011

There may be a cause for our thoughts and what we do, but we decide how we are affected by the cause.

Ken

Tinker Grey · Mar 24, 2011

Isn't your decision as to how you are affected, also caused?

Ken-1122 · Mar 24, 2011

I don't necessarly decide how I am affected, I deciede how I react to what effects me.

K

Ken-1122 · Mar 24, 2011

In my previous post, I noticed a mistake. I should have said:
There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

jonmichael818 · Mar 25, 2011

Ken-1122 said:
There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

ThePresbyteers · Mar 25, 2011

jonmichael818 said:
How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

After you find the source of your thoughts.
Christian Zen will help you trace your thoughts back to the original source.

The Key: UNDO

ThePresbyteers · Mar 25, 2011

Ken-1122 said:
In my previous post, I noticed a mistake. I should have said:
There may be a cause for our thoughts, but we decide how we react to those thoughts.

Way too late to react to the thoughts created by God. God is far ahead of you in the Present. You're not really paying attention to the present, so you're LATE !

You have to respond to the thoughts already there.

Wiccan_Child · Mar 25, 2011

ThePresbyteers said:
Way too late to react to the thoughts created by God. God is far ahead of you in the Present. You're not really paying attention to the present, so you're LATE !

You have to respond to the thoughts already there.

Doesn't that presuppose the existence of God, which Ken, an atheist, doesn't necessarily ascribe to?

ThePresbyteers · Mar 25, 2011

Wiccan_Child said:
Doesn't that presuppose the existence of God, which Ken, an atheist, doesn't necessarily ascribe to?

The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

sandwiches · Mar 25, 2011

ThePresbyteers said:
The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

In all seriousness, I wonder if all the mental gymnastics the religious have to do to wedge reality into their beliefs warps the way they think.

In other words, what the heck are you saying and how is any of that related to the quoted post? You sound like Greg.

jonmichael818 · Mar 25, 2011

ThePresbyteers said:
The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

That's cool. Any proof ?

jonmichael818 · Mar 25, 2011

ThePresbyteers said:
After you find the source of your thoughts.
Christian Zen will help you trace your thoughts back to the original source.

The Key: UNDO

Ok, sooooo do you believe in free will? If so, how does this Christian Zen avoid cause and effect?

Wiccan_Child · Mar 25, 2011

ThePresbyteers said:
The gate is closed at the source of thought for all atheists including all goats and unregenerates.

Theres no difference between the atheist and the unregenerates. Both don't understand the spiritual things of God. Thats called Total Depravity. It's that way for all mankind, not just the atheists

What's an 'unregenerate'? What do goats have to do with anything?

My post pointed out that your response to Ken only works if Ken believes in God, which he obviously doesn't. Given that, I have absolutely no idea what relevance your post has to either mine or Ken's.

Your posts verge on those of trolls - you don't contribute to the topic at hand, your posts are unrelated to those quoted, you use insulting and derogatory language where none is necessary, etc. I've talked to Christians before, and none of them sought to besmirch the name of Christ by acting with such arrogance and self-righteousness.

So much for humility being a virtue, eh...

Ken-1122 · Mar 25, 2011

Jonmichael (quote) How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

(reply) By using our brain. It isnt something you decide, its something you do; thats how the brain works.

K

jonmichael818 · Mar 25, 2011

Ken-1122 said:
Jonmichael (quote) How do we decide how we react to thoughts?

(reply) By using our brain.

Ok, so how does the brain work?

It isnt something you decide, its something you do;

How is it done?

thats how the brain works.

How does the brain work such that it is able to react to thoughts?

Ken-1122 · Mar 26, 2011

Jonmichale (quote) How does the brain work such that it is able to react to thoughts?

(reply) I dont know. There is much about the human brain that I dont know. Do you?

K

ThePresbyteers · Mar 26, 2011

Wiccan_Child said:
What's an 'unregenerate'? What do goats have to do with anything?---

The unregenrates are those that stay in the beliefs they were born with. They remain in that state for the rest of their lives. The goats are frequently used as a symbolic to people that are being sent to hell by the Lord, Himself, they never believed in.

Ken-1122 · Mar 26, 2011

The Presbyteer (quote) The unregenrates are those that stay in the beliefs they were born with. They remain in that state for the rest of their lives.

(reply) Humm So would you agree that most Christians are "unregenerates"? Are YOU an unregenerate?

Ken

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