Does Denomination Matter?

[New_Wineskin]

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

Bloody peasant .

 

[Monica02]

The Old Testament Canon was not closed by the Jews untill the late first century at the council of Jamnia (Javna???). At this council they determined that the books we know as the New Testament were not legit as well as some books from what Catholics know to be in the Old Testament. This resulted in the difference between the Palestinain Canon (Protestant) and The Alexandrian Canon (Catholic) of the Old Testament. The first Complete canon of Christian Scripture,as we know it today, was determined at the Council of Rome in the late 4th century and it was the Catholic version because that was the only Christian Church at the time. There were several books floating around in different communities. Some books which were read but not included in the canon are the Shepard of Hermas and the writings of Clement. Some of the books that were included were disputed by some.

The canon remained pretty consistent through the centuries until Martin Luther chose, by HIS OWN authority, to use the Hebrew Canon for the Christian Old Testament. In response the Catholic Church declared the canon officially closed at the Council of Trent.

 

[Pastor_Benjamin]

Denomination doesn't matter as long as it doesn't add or take away from the bible.

 

[eightfoot514]

Denomination doesn't matter as long as it doesn't add or take away from the bible.

Then...wouldn't that statement exclude denominations that follow Luther's canon?

 

[Sacrifice]

If we follow Jesus, and follow his teachings properly, then we are all the same denomination, no matter what we want to call ourselves or what other people call us. If we follow Jesus, we are Christians and that is the only denomination there should be. IMO having so many denominations is not good for the church, as non christians think we are divided.
God Bless.

 

[Monica02]

What does it mean to follow Jesus properly? What does it mean to add or subtract from the Bible? The Church does consider all baptised persons who believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be Christian. The fullness of the Deposit of Faith can only be found in what is normally called the Catholic Church. Without the Magisterium, Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit one cannot know the complete teachings of the faith.

I can't think of anything more important than choosing the correct church. It would seem to me that a Christian would want, more than anything, to learn and attempt to understand the complete faith. Not just part of it. Not what they want it to be.
Not whatever church has a good preacher or fun programs. "Denomination" is very important.

 

[Col]

..............The Church does consider all baptised persons who believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be Christian.............

Well Jesus did and that is what matters.

Its all about Jesus, not all about "Church". Also I think Monica02's quote is rather strange to say the very least and a contradiction of Jesus at its worst, and also Christianity itself.

Maybe Monica02 hasn't got to John 3:16 in her "Bible" yet.

 

[BronxBriar]

The fullness of the Deposit of Faith can only be found in what is normally called the Catholic Church. Without the Magisterium, Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit one cannot know the complete teachings of the faith.

Interesting catechism lesson. Thankfully your opinion is rejected by most here.

 

[BronxBriar]

Well Jesus did and that is what matters.

Its all about Jesus, not all about "Church". Also I think Monica02's quote is rather strange to say the very least and a contradiction of Jesus at its worst, and also Christianity itself.

Maybe Monica02 hasn't got to John 3:16 in her "Bible" yet.

Maybe she's checking on what the Roman Catholic Magisterium tells her she should believe and she'll get back to you.

 

[eightfoot514]

The Bible says the Church is the foundation of the Truth. If you believe in the Bible, you believe that.

We may all disagree on what the Bible really means by "church," but I would hardly call it ethical or mature to criticize a legitimate interpretation of your very on Scriptures.

 

[BronxBriar]

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[Suffolk Sean]

What does it mean to follow Jesus properly? What does it mean to add or subtract from the Bible? The Church does consider all baptised persons who believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to be Christian. The fullness of the Deposit of Faith can only be found in what is normally called the Catholic Church. Without the Magisterium, Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit one cannot know the complete teachings of the faith.

I can't think of anything more important than choosing the correct church. It would seem to me that a Christian would want, more than anything, to learn and attempt to understand the complete faith. Not just part of it. Not what they want it to be.
Not whatever church has a good preacher or fun programs. "Denomination" is very important.

Wow, amazing in it's arrogance. I can't think of anything more important that to reject the traditions of men and seeing the truth as it was given.

 

[eightfoot514]

it would have been un-ethical of me to let those comments pass.

Of course. That's an integral part of the forums.

My point was that people didn't have to be rude about it. Yes, we disagree on things, but that does not call for anyone to take shots at the Catholic Church by implying Catholics can't think for themselves or that they aren't familiar with salvation through Christ.

 

[BronxBriar]

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[Suffolk Sean]

I guess rudeness is in the eye of the beholder. When an RC comes into the Non-denom forum and says things like:

"The fullness of the Deposit of Faith can only be found in what is normally called the Catholic Church. Without the Magisterium, Holy Scriptures and the Holy Spirit one cannot know the complete teachings of the faith."

you can expect a response. Most here are quite well aware of what the RC church teaches. If we have any questions about your faith we'll drop into OBOB and ask for clarification. I for one will sit by no longer as you troll through other forums to post your exaggerated claims to ecclesial superiority.

What he said but a little nicer.

 

[BronxBriar]

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[eightfoot514]

See? That's all there is to it.

 

[Monica02]

I have a question: does it matter which denomination of church you are a member of? My family attends a United Church, but I'm more inclined to become Catholic, for many personal reasons and because of some of m y beliefs, but I don't know if it makes a difference in God's eyes. Also, does that Bible say anything about it? I've never seen anywahere in the bible where it mentions if denomination matters...

Thanks

Are we all forgetting Bible Addict's original post - especially the part about considering Catholicism. I think this allows, quite validly, for a Catholic response. The Catholic Church does teach that only She holds the COMPLETE Deposit of Faith. Other faiths can be considered Christian but they are lacking some of the Deposit of Faith. If posters find this rude or arrogant ,well I do not know what to say. I am required as a Catholic to always strive to teach the Truth of the faith.

I encourage Bible Addict to get a Catholic Bible, The Catechism of the Catholic Church and any other materials that will help him to understand the Church.

The Bible does not mention denomination because Jesus started only one Church. I would also like to encourage Bible Addict to research the history of the Church and also of how the Canon of Scripture came to be.

Some people might be upset becuse I brought up the point of choosing a church for reasons like appealing preachers and programs . This has been my experience, alot of people do choose their Church for just that reason and I do believe that those are silly reasons. I also cannot understand why people seek out a church that will preach simply what they want to beleive. This runs contrary to what Truth is. Truth is not relative.

Many Churches (denominations) and Christians do sincerely believe that their interpretation of the Bible is a truthful one-no argument here. However there are tens of thousands of denominations ,which should lead one to question their truth (not their sincerity). The Catholic Church is the only Church with the Magisterium-this is part of the definition. All appeals to the Bible are actually appeals to the Catholic Church because the Bible is a Traditon of the Church. A council of Catholic Bishops determined the canon.

People may get offended by this, they might think the Church is arrogant. So be it. Bible Addict indicated an interest in Catholicism, I am a Catholic and am obligated to do my best to tell him about it.

God Bless

 

[New_Wineskin]

Are we all forgetting Bible Addict's original post - especially the part about considering Catholicism. I think this allows, quite validly, for a Catholic response.

Bible Addict's original post was an invitation for nondenominationalists to respond about how denominationalism matters . If BA wanted extra input from Catholics , they would go directly to that forum for that pov . Otherwise , it could be in the debate forum or other forum for cross-denominational discussion .

 

[Suffolk Sean]

People may get offended by this, they might think the Church is arrogant. So be it. Bible Addict indicated an interest in Catholicism, I am a Catholic and am obligated to do my best to tell him about it.
God Bless

You also agreed to abide by the rules of the forum. To violate that to push your point is dishonest, I don't believe intentially so however.