Does anything really cease to exist

[pshun2404]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

 

[Crowns&Laurels]

There's an interesting idea that collisions of antimatter turns into dark matter, rather then simply ceasing to exist. There's an idea that black holes may have some correlation to any or both of those things, or that they even connect to 'white holes' in alternate realities which have an opposite effect.

Scientists simply just don't know.

 

[brinny]

interesting......

you might have a point there...

especially as to how "eternity" fits in here, and how none of us "cease to exist" but are in an eternal "state of being" whether that's a good thing or less than desirable thing...

excellent thread

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

Depends on what you mean by "anything". We put labels on "things" - labels defined by properties. If you change those properties, then the label doesn't apply anymore. And in that sense, that "thing" no longer exists.

For example, I have a glass sitting on my desk. It's a "glass" because it's made of glass, holds liquid, and is a particular shape. If I break the glass and crush the pieces until it's a powder, the "glass" doesn't exist anymore. I have to adopt a new label for what the "glass" used to be.

 

[Chriliman]

Depends on what you mean by "anything". We put labels on "things" - labels defined by properties. If you change those properties, then the label doesn't apply anymore. And in that sense, that "thing" no longer exists.

For example, I have a glass sitting on my desk. It's a "glass" because it's made of glass, holds liquid, and is a particular shape. If I break the glass and crush the pieces until it's a powder, the "glass" doesn't exist anymore. I have to adopt a new label for what the "glass" used to be.

The "glass" still exists in the form of a memory/thought(you're currently thinking about a glass) as well as in the form of rearranged particles.

IMO, anything that has a beginning never ceases to exist in some shape or form or idea, including consciousness.

Hope the thread generates some interesting thoughts, I'll just observe from here on out

 

[quatona]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

It all depends on the defintion you use for the keyterms here.
Personally, i tend towards the notion that we´d get a better grip on reality if we´d try to understand it in terms of processes rather than in terms of objects.

 

[quatona]

The "glass" still exists in the form of a memory/thought(you're currently thinking about a glass) as well as in the form of rearranged particles.

Next time you ask for a glass I must remember that you are demanding a memory/thought or some "rearranged particles".

 

[Chriliman]

Next time you ask for a glass I must remember that you are demanding a memory/thought or some "rearranged particles".

Exactly, you ask me for a glass, I first recognize what you're saying by comprehending the idea of a glass and then I go grab an intelligently designed arrangement of particles and give it to you. If you were to throw it to the ground and break it, those particles that were arranged intelligently are now arranged in a different way, but they still exist and so does the idea of a glass.

 

[quatona]

Exactly´

Alright.

 

[bhsmte]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

Define; "state of being"

 

[Ana the Ist]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

I'd say yes...yes they do.

 

[Larniavc]

One's personality is gone when one's brain stops.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The "glass" still exists in the form of a memory/thought(you're currently thinking about a glass) as well as in the form of rearranged particles.

Neither of those will hold water, so to speak.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

When the last human being dies, everything will cease to exist.


[not literally]

 

[SkyWriting]

For example, I have a glass sitting on my desk. It's a "glass" because it's made of glass, holds liquid, and is a particular shape. If I break the glass and crush the pieces until it's a powder, the "glass" doesn't exist anymore. I have to adopt a new label for what the "glass" used to be.

I still call it glass.

Powdered glass

 

[SkyWriting]

[not literally]

Yes, it is said by some.

 

[SkyWriting]

One's personality is gone when one's brain stops.

That's one side of the debate. But does the spirit continue?
One theory of consciousness is that it is the result of quantum
separation. The reason that "we" exist is that your mind and
body are in a quantum separated state where each part is
aware of each other part, not separated by space.

There is some research that indicate stimulus in one part of the
brain is "noticed" in other parts faster than the speed of light
would allow for. And quantum fields may not be dependant
on matter to exist.

 

[Larniavc]

That's one side of the debate. But does the spirit continue?
One theory of consciousness is that it is the result of quantum
separation. The reason that "we" exist is that your mind and
body are in a quantum separated state where each part is
aware of each other part, not separated by space.

There is some research that indicate stimulus in one part of the
brain is "noticed" in other parts faster than the speed of light
would allow for. And quantum fields may not be dependant
on matter to exist.

Could you link to the evidence the mention, here?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist

Yes, life ceases to exist.

Life can do so because it is something emergent in the universe. It exists as a kind of complex, self-generating activity. This activity can stop and disappear from existence, even if the constituent parts remain.

This is just one example.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Colter]

Is there anything in this creation/universe that really ceases to exist or do things transform into some different state of being?

"Nothing of survival value is ever lost in all the wide universe." UB

Personality may not survive, returning to the Universal Father from whence it came like a drop of water falling back into the ocean, but nothing of survival value is ever lost. Those quality experiences become a part of the evolution of God he Supreme in time and space. When we choose to do the divine will we are in partnership with God. Our work may remain while we may at some future point choose destruction.