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<blockquote data-quote="philadelphos" data-source="post: 76674640" data-attributes="member: 420433"><p>"Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Tim 2:3-4)</p><p></p><p>Prophetic warfare without weaponry, e.g. steel noted in Joshua's conquest. In fact, all the militant people died prior to God allowing the Exodus people to enter into the Promised Land. It was covered in Parashah a couple weeks back.</p><p></p><p>Josh 5:6 "For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey."</p><p></p><p>Scripture has numerous allusions and metaphors of war: between Christ and Satan, war between angels in heaven, the last battle of Armegeddon that ends all wars, all death, destruction, bloodshed. Whether or not you believe that Christ's flock will violence perhaps indicates which side you are on. I believe there many indications future events will unfold just as the events within Exodus. e.g. Korah's 20,000 men. God goes before his people who merely bear witness to his greatness.</p><p></p><p>Isa 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."</p><p></p><p>Christ I believe is also militant but his weaponry is <em>spiritual</em>, miraculous less physical or man-made e.g. iron ore, forging, beaten steel, etc. I believe warfare prophesied of him (and the "saints") is an actual battle executed miraculously, in such a way that that silences all critics.</p><p></p><p>Isa 63:3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment."</p><p></p><p>And yet, he is not <em>pro-</em> "self defence... loving violence or killing needlessly. In fact, while the Lord is violent/destructive (in justice) he is simultaneously the opposite: of peace, constructive, (re-) creating.</p><p></p><p>Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The <strong>Prince of Peace</strong>."</p><p></p><p>The militant references in Scripture as metaphors are symbolic and indicative of enmity, less instructive. To argue otherwise would be an abuse of Scripture, legalism. Although Christ did not explicitly prohibit many things in literal verse, he however covered such and many more things in broad statements, explicitly and implicitly. e.g. Mt 5:9 "</p><p>Blessed are the <strong>peacemakers</strong>: for they shall be called the children of God." Lk 6:35 "But <strong>love ye your enemies, and do good</strong>, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is <strong>kind</strong> unto the unthankful and to the evil."</p><p></p><p>An ethos continued by Paul in Hebrews, "Follow <strong>peace with all men</strong>, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Heb 12:14) And Romans 12:18, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, <strong>live peaceably with all men</strong>." Rom 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." -- The opposite of carnality and physical violence.</p><p></p><p>"The ultimate aim of martial arts is not having to use them" Miyamoto Musashi</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="philadelphos, post: 76674640, member: 420433"] "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Tim 2:3-4) Prophetic warfare without weaponry, e.g. steel noted in Joshua's conquest. In fact, all the militant people died prior to God allowing the Exodus people to enter into the Promised Land. It was covered in Parashah a couple weeks back. Josh 5:6 "For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey." Scripture has numerous allusions and metaphors of war: between Christ and Satan, war between angels in heaven, the last battle of Armegeddon that ends all wars, all death, destruction, bloodshed. Whether or not you believe that Christ's flock will violence perhaps indicates which side you are on. I believe there many indications future events will unfold just as the events within Exodus. e.g. Korah's 20,000 men. God goes before his people who merely bear witness to his greatness. Isa 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies." Christ I believe is also militant but his weaponry is [I]spiritual[/I], miraculous less physical or man-made e.g. iron ore, forging, beaten steel, etc. I believe warfare prophesied of him (and the "saints") is an actual battle executed miraculously, in such a way that that silences all critics. Isa 63:3 "I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment." And yet, he is not [I]pro-[/I] "self defence... loving violence or killing needlessly. In fact, while the Lord is violent/destructive (in justice) he is simultaneously the opposite: of peace, constructive, (re-) creating. Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The [B]Prince of Peace[/B]." The militant references in Scripture as metaphors are symbolic and indicative of enmity, less instructive. To argue otherwise would be an abuse of Scripture, legalism. Although Christ did not explicitly prohibit many things in literal verse, he however covered such and many more things in broad statements, explicitly and implicitly. e.g. Mt 5:9 " Blessed are the [B]peacemakers[/B]: for they shall be called the children of God." Lk 6:35 "But [B]love ye your enemies, and do good[/B], and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is [B]kind[/B] unto the unthankful and to the evil." An ethos continued by Paul in Hebrews, "Follow [B]peace with all men[/B], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" (Heb 12:14) And Romans 12:18, "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, [B]live peaceably with all men[/B]." Rom 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." -- The opposite of carnality and physical violence. "The ultimate aim of martial arts is not having to use them" Miyamoto Musashi [/QUOTE]
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