Does anyone else?

[amanda092]

I read recently that the Muppets were dropping their endorsements for Chick-fil-A because of the chain's Anti-gay stance. I was reading the comments on an article and to have so many people passionate about gay rights and to stand up and say everyone is free to love and the Bible is a crock...does that annoy anyone else?
Not particularly annoy I suppose but when I read comments like that it aggravates me and I get a little mad. And I have have a few friends that claim to be homosexual, and they're all for that lifestyle. I love them dearly and they are wonderful people, but I just get a bit mad when they talk about it. Does anyone else feel this? Or am I just being odd? lol :o

 

[beastmaster]

I'm indifferent to the issue, really. Why do you think it makes you so mad?

 

[amanda092]

Honestly I have no idea. I mean, before I became born again Chrisitan, and accepted a new religion I guess I was okay with homosexuality, but I always felt uneasy. But now learning about the Bible and accepting God, I've come to understand I was never okay with it. I'm not sure why I get mad over the issue. I was curious if anyone else felt the same.

 

[Nanopants]

So are you perfect or do you have some hidden fault that I may be permitted to get angry and offended about?

 

[renewed21]

I used to when I was younger. But now I realize that we are all sinners and I strive to only get angry at myself for my sins and let God take care of being angry at others.

Fter all, He commands us to love sinner and saint alike.

 

[SolomonVII]

I don't much like bullying, whether it comes from people antagonizing people for being gay, or from people who are now antagonizing Chick-fil-A for having the wrong kind of political stance.
It is all right to promote a Christian lifestyle, and that includes orienting ones sexuality towards Biblical values concerning family.
Love of freedom entails allowing others to make moral choices that we may not agree with. Likewise, it entails expressing a Biblical Christian point of view without being demonized as hateful bigots on that account.

What goes around comes around. The bullied are now the bullies.

 

[renewed21]

I don't much like bullying, whether it comes from people antagonizing people for being gay, or from people who are now antagonizing Chick-fil-A for having the wrong kind of political stance.
It is all right to promote a Christian lifestyle, and that includes orienting ones sexuality towards Biblical values concerning family.
Love of freedom entails allowing others to make moral choices that we may not agree with. Likewise, it entails expressing a Biblical Christian point of view without being demonized as hateful bigots on that account.

What goes around comes around. The bullied are now the bullies.

that's a good point Solomon. Folks who claim discrimination also can be highly intolerant of others who dont share their beliefs.

 

[Sketcher]

They've bought into a lie and vent their hatred based on it. Of course I have a problem with it.

 

[Nanopants]

What I don't understand is the apparent lack of understanding among Christians in the saving Grace of God. If we should be offended by homosexuality, as if it's up to us to police the world, then who is transforming the world through the preaching of the Gospel?

If a Christian has genuinely come to terms with his or her own sin, and has experienced the depths of God's forgiveness through Christ's atonement, from that perspective whatever threat homosexuality may pose (if any) should seem like a walk in the park.

Unfortunately it seems like the majority of vocal Christians are more preoccupied with the world's lack of obedience, so it really makes me wonder: how many of us have actually been saved by Grace through faith?

 

[thesunisout]

I read recently that the Muppets were dropping their endorsements for Chick-fil-A because of the chain's Anti-gay stance. I was reading the comments on an article and to have so many people passionate about gay rights and to stand up and say everyone is free to love and the Bible is a crock...does that annoy anyone else?
Not particularly annoy I suppose but when I read comments like that it aggravates me and I get a little mad. And I have have a few friends that claim to be homosexual, and they're all for that lifestyle. I love them dearly and they are wonderful people, but I just get a bit mad when they talk about it. Does anyone else feel this? Or am I just being odd? lol :o

You're probably annoyed at the hypocrisy of people being intolerant in the name of tolerance. As you can see, the most "tolerant" people in our society will take any opportunity to bash the bible. Now that gay marriage has been positioned as a civil rights issue, it has become socially acceptable to do so.

John 7:7

The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil

People hate the bible because it convicts them of their sin. There is a famous gay actor, Ian Mckellen, who admitted in an interview that he defaces all of his hotel room bibles by tearing out Leviticus. Jesus said this:

John 3:19-21

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God."

Basically, the gay movement is looking to have their lifestyle validated by the society. They know, in their heart of hearts, that what they're doing is wrong. They think though that the approval of the society will silence their conscience. It won't. They will also do anything to silence Christians who dare to speak up for biblical morality and affirm what their conscience already tells them. What they want to do is snuff out all the light.

We cannot expect that they will act any differently; a person living in darkness doesn't know what truth is, and so we must shine the light of Christ into their lives and show them. Instead of being annoyed, we must forgive them and love them. This doesn't mean tolerating sin, but it is to remember that the battle isn't over the culture, it is over the hearts of those lost people the devil is dragging with him to hell.

 

[renewed21]

What I don't understand is the apparent lack of understanding among Christians in the saving Grace of God. If we should be offended by homosexuality, as if it's up to us to police the world, then who is transforming the world through the preaching of the Gospel?

If a Christian has genuinely come to terms with his or her own sin, and has experienced the depths of God's forgiveness through Christ's atonement, from that perspective whatever threat homosexuality may pose (if any) should seem like a walk in the park.

Unfortunately it seems like the majority of Christians are more preoccupied with the world's lack of obedience, so it really makes me wonder: how many of us have actually been saved by Grace through faith?

I understand your point Nano, I also understand that the majority of Christians do not want to come to terms that we, as regenerated sinners, are commanded to be obedient. Obedience and Love are mutally inclusive realities of the new birth.

 

[Nanopants]

I understand your point Nano, I also understand that the majority of Christians do not want to come to terms that we, as regenerated sinners, are commanded to be obedient. Obedience and Love are mutally inclusive realities of the new birth.

Fair enough, but love, as defined in the Gospel of John, is a willingness to lay down one's life for unworthy sinners, i.e. to take up our crosses and walk as Christ walked.

If that isn't in us, then I think it's about time that we should ask ourselves if Christ is even in us, and if not, are we even Christians?

 

[Sketcher]

What I don't understand is the apparent lack of understanding among Christians in the saving Grace of God. If we should be offended by homosexuality, as if it's up to us to police the world, then who is transforming the world through the preaching of the Gospel?

If a Christian has genuinely come to terms with his or her own sin, and has experienced the depths of God's forgiveness through Christ's atonement, from that perspective whatever threat homosexuality may pose (if any) should seem like a walk in the park.

I don't think that's the position of a lot of Christians. Many Christians simply believe homosexual behavior is one sin among many, and wouldn't want to support it any more than we would support theft. And loudmouthed idiots present people with a false choice: either hate not only the sin, but the sinner with it, or love both the sinner and the sin, and deny that the sin is indeed sinful. I have a big problem when wrongheaded people in the world and the church drown out what it means to love the sinner, and hate the sin, rejecting the love of Christ before it has a chance to be given.

 

[Nanopants]

I don't think that's the position of a lot of Christians. Many Christians simply believe homosexual behavior is one sin among many, and wouldn't want to support it any more than we would support theft. And loudmouthed idiots present people with a false choice: either hate not only the sin, but the sinner with it, or love both the sinner and the sin, and deny that the sin is indeed sinful. I have a big problem when wrongheaded people in the world and the church drown out what it means to love the sinner, and hate the sin, rejecting the love of Christ before it has a chance to be given.

Tbh, I don't know where "love the sinner, hate the sin" even comes from. From my perspective, God first loved us despite our sins, and I don't know about everyone else here, but I for one am still a work in progress.

The cleansing of our sins is depicted as being washed away, through the symbolism inherent in baptism and how Christ washed the feet of the disciples. Yes, He scolded them for their sins, sure, where Peter was interfering with His work.

 

[Sketcher]

Tbh, I don't know where "love the sinner, hate the sin" even comes from. From my perspective, God first loved us despite our sins, and I don't know about everyone else here, but I for one am still a work in progress.

The cleansing of our sins is depicted as being washed away, through the symbolism inherent in baptism and how Christ washed the feet of the disciples. Yes, He scolded them for their sins, sure, where Peter was interfering with His work.

. . . which is love the sinner, hate the sin. As was his dining with the tax collectors and prostitutes.

 

[Nanopants]

. . . which is love the sinner, hate the sin. As was his dining with the tax collectors and prostitutes.

Ok, so if that's the appropriate demonstration of loving sinners and hating sins, where does that leave taking up a sin-centered agenda to police the world?

 

[renewed21]

Fair enough, but love, as defined in the Gospel of John, is a willingness to lay down one's life for unworthy sinners, i.e. to take up our crosses and walk as Christ walked.

If that isn't in us, then I think it's about time that we should ask ourselves if Christ is even in us, and if not, are we even Christians?

Agreed. And like I stated before, use your same logic and include obedience and come to the same exact conclusion.

 

[Sketcher]

Ok, so if that's the appropriate demonstration of loving sinners and hating sins, where does that leave taking up a sin-centered agenda to police the world?

You'll have to clarify what you mean by that.

 

[dysert]

I don't much like bullying, whether it comes from people antagonizing people for being gay, or from people who are now antagonizing Chick-fil-A for having the wrong kind of political stance.
It is all right to promote a Christian lifestyle, and that includes orienting ones sexuality towards Biblical values concerning family.
Love of freedom entails allowing others to make moral choices that we may not agree with. Likewise, it entails expressing a Biblical Christian point of view without being demonized as hateful bigots on that account.

What goes around comes around. The bullied are now the bullies.

There's a big difference in this case. Chick-fil-A never boycotted the Muppets for their pro-gay stance, yet the Muppets are essentially boycotting Chick-fil-A for their anti-gay stance. Chick-fil-A was never bullying anyone, and I'll bet that they'd serve a Muppet if one came in for a meal.

That may be what gets the OP mad. There is a militant activist segment of the pro-gay community that's trying to force their agenda into the social norms, and if you resist you're intolerant and called out as being a bigot. In the case of a business your very existence may be put in jeopardy simply for holding to traditional Christian values.

 

[SolomonVII]

There's a big difference in this case. Chick-fil-A never boycotted the Muppets for their pro-gay stance, yet the Muppets are essentially boycotting Chick-fil-A for their anti-gay stance. Chick-fil-A was never bullying anyone, and I'll bet that they'd serve a Muppet if one came in for a meal.

That may be what gets the OP mad. There is a militant activist segment of the pro-gay community that's trying to force their agenda into the social norms, and if you resist you're intolerant and called out as being a bigot. In the case of a business your very existence may be put in jeopardy simply for holding to traditional Christian values.

I fully agree.
Chick-fil-A is not the bully. Chick-fil-A is being bullied by what has essentially become a fascist attitude from the left, that has seized the political agenda.