Does anyone else feel really sad?

[free2be]

Okay, I have made this threat before. Do I really need to go put my cheerleading uniform on to cheer y'all up?

(Please, please do not make me. Peppy makes me go )

Lisa

Yes!! Only 'cause I wanna see you cheer...not cause I wanna see

 

[drstevej]

Okay, I have made this threat before. Do I really need to go put my cheerleading uniform on to cheer y'all up?

(Please, please do not make me. Peppy makes me go )

Lisa

Lisa, cheer leading is not what is needed. What is needed is folks consistently telling Erwin what is happening and the impact of his decisions.

He will take cheer leading as acceptance and then another compromise will come down.

If I have to be cheery about this kind of spiritual compromise I'll head back to CARM.

I am not upset with you but I believe you are naive on this one. And I am not a prophet but am a pastor with thousands of hours of pastoral counseling experience.

Not to even allow the Pastoral Team to thoroughly review this is a slap in their faces and very short sided.

my 2 cents

 

[Auntie]

Lisa, cheer leading is not what is needed. What is needed is folks consistently telling Erwin what is happening and the impact of his decisions.

He will take cheer leading as acceptance and then another compromise will come down.

If I have to be cheery about this kind of spiritual compromise I'll head back to CARM.

I am not upset with you but I believe you are naive on this one. And I am not a prophet but am a pastor with thousands of hours of pastoral counseling experience.

Not to even allow the Pastoral Team to thoroughly review this is a slap in their faces and very short sided.

my 2 cents

I feel really sad. My hubby told me I need to leave this website, coz it is really evil.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Lisa, cheer leading is not what is needed. What is needed is folks consistently telling Erwin what is happening and the impact of his decisions.

He will take cheer leading as acceptance and then another compromise will come down.

If I have to be cheery about this kind of spiritual compromise I'll head back to CARM.

I am not upset with you but I believe you are naive on this one. And I am not a prophet but am a pastor with thousands of hours of pastoral counseling experience.

Not to even allow the Pastoral Team to thoroughly review this is a slap in their faces and very short sided.

my 2 cents

Thank you, it's what I have been saying all along. I hate it when people idealize situations and God's will.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I feel really sad. My hubby told me I need to leave this website, coz it is really evil.

Well he's right.

 

[Time2BCounted]

New Guy
I understand your sentiments here but imho there are 2 ends of the spectrum and neither end is usually advisable.

I think that we should fight fights for the right, and yet we ourselves be blameless. We can be bold and straightforward and yet try to remain personally unoffensive. Jesus went ballistic 2 times, once cleansing the temple3, and once in matthew 23 after bearing 3 years with pharisees.

Other than those 2 times Jesus said 'render unto caesar the things that are caesars. He said blessed are the meek and the peacemakers, THESE are the children of God.

I agree with boldness to rise and confront issues, but i believe too that we represent Christ not just in what we stand for but HOW as well. We are at a serious point where we need to be wise as serpents but personally harless as doves... not just good advice, but a command.

Diplomacy is best served civilly and positively when standing on a firm basis or foundation, and we have the foundation of the word to stand on. Yes we must confront it, but in a spirit which truly wants a Godly resolve, or fight for the best we can get in a way that shows strength, but dignity and nobility and honor too, because these are attributes of our God.

Lets all stand together in our resolves and fight together as a body, in meekness not weakness, nobility and strength.

 

[Time2BCounted]

I feel really sad. My hubby told me I need to leave this website, coz it is really evil.

Auntie
Forgive my presumptuousness, but as a favor, if i asked your husband, through this post, to join our cause to help this situation, letting him know we need all the support we can get to fight evil and make a stand in an evil day, whats the chances he would respond favorably?

 

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, cheer leading is not what is needed. What is needed is folks consistently telling Erwin what is happening and the impact of his decisions.

He will take cheer leading as acceptance and then another compromise will come down.

If I have to be cheery about this kind of spiritual compromise I'll head back to CARM.

I am not upset with you but I believe you are naive on this one. And I am not a prophet but am a pastor with thousands of hours of pastoral counseling experience.

Not to even allow the Pastoral Team to thoroughly review this is a slap in their faces and very short sided.

my 2 cents

It was intended as a joke and encouragement, Steve.

I think you know how seriously I take this whole matter.

However, I also feel that the forces of Satan feed off of Christian gloom and doom. If they do not feed off of it, they sure get a kick out of it.

I am not saying laugh it off, but like Paul and Silas, sing through it and praise God through it. I bet ole Paul and Silas told a few jokes in prison too.

Hey, Sile, Hear the one about the Pharissee, the Sadducee, and the Apostle?

<Silas rolls his eyes>, No, Paul

Well, the Pharissee and the Sadducee were arguing about the resurrection and finally they asked the Apostle what he thought. The Apostle thought for a moment and then said "Well, if y'all don't know, then, what am I in prison for?"

Wah, Wah, Wah

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

Hey, I'm not into doom and gloom. I'm the one who wants to strike a happy medium.

But Erwin has a track record of needing a full fledged bruhaha before he gives his attention from coding frillies.

He needs a few toddlers and teens to raise.

When in Rome's romper room ..... pout, shout, knock yerself out.

 

[ReformedChapin]

New Guy
I understand your sentiments here but imho there are 2 ends of the spectrum and neither end is usually advisable.

I think that we should fight fights for the right, and yet we ourselves be blameless. We can be bold and straightforward and yet try to remain personally unoffensive. Jesus went ballistic 2 times, once cleansing the temple3, and once in matthew 23 after bearing 3 years with pharisees.

Other than those 2 times Jesus said 'render unto caesar the things that are caesars. He said blessed are the meek and the peacemakers, THESE are the children of God.

I agree with boldness to rise and confront issues, but i believe too that we represent Christ not just in what we stand for but HOW as well. We are at a serious point where we need to be wise as serpents but personally harless as doves... not just good advice, but a command.

Diplomacy is best served civilly and positively when standing on a firm basis or foundation, and we have the foundation of the word to stand on. Yes we must confront it, but in a spirit which truly wants a Godly resolve, or fight for the best we can get in a way that shows strength, but dignity and nobility and honor too, because these are attributes of our God.

Lets all stand together in our resolves and fight together as a body, in meekness not weakness, nobility and strength.

Trust me , I'd love unification in this time of tormoil. The problem is some of our brothers don't seem the ramafications of this website and it's godless positions. I don't care how many times we scream "it will get better, it will get better." Reality is that it hasn' and it wont.

 

[Auntie]

I can't tell you how sad I am.

Back in 2002, when I first came here, this website was truely a Christian website. I loved it here. Yeah, we had a bunch of dissagreements, but it was Christians differing with Christians.

Now, we have something altogether different.

Now we have Satanists, with there own private website.

Here is what my hubby is telling me:

If it smells like dog poop, if it looks like dog poop, then it is dog poop.

I can't disagree with him, sorry to say!

I really was able to consider this website being secular, and able to continue posting here at a secular website.

However, the recent tide of events, with Satanists who like having sex with Satan and his demons, has really done it in for me.

There is nothing sacred about this site, there is nothing Christian about this site.

We are in the House of Satan.

It is his playground.

It is his website.

There are no other shoes to drop.

The last shoe has dropped.

This site belongs to Satan, and the powers of evil.

'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one'
Amen
​

​

 

[Hentenza]

You know guys, we sure are spending a lot of energy on this. Recovering Christians that have delve in the occult do need a place to fellowship and heal. I agree with Steve that the pastoral team needs to be heavily involved. As a matter of fact, the mods need to be from the pastoral team and not some recovering satanist. I disagree with Erwin in that the forum should not have autonomy to elect their own mods and that it should not be hidden. Christians that are suffering from this horrible satanistic past need to be able to find this forum.
I think that we need to pray about this and offer our suggestions with Christian love. These people are hurting. Just reading some of Moriah's posts breaks your heart. The girl obviously has been through some rough times and she is hurting. And I mean, really hurting. Maybe a place where they can discuss this will do a lot of good to the rest of the site.
We need to pray for this people. We need prayer cover to help them deal with this. I am praying for them and you should too. Pray for Erwin also because he needs it in a bad way.

 

[Auntie]

Auntie
Forgive my presumptuousness, but as a favor, if i asked your husband, through this post, to join our cause to help this situation, letting him know we need all the support we can get to fight evil and make a stand in an evil day, whats the chances he would respond favorably?

Here's his reply:

Pick your battles carefully.

The owner of the website has sold your ass out.

 

[Lisa0315]

Auntie, You have a right to your opinion, but that is not what is going on. This is not a Satanic site, but it is a site that needs prayer. If you do not wish to post in 4U, that is up to you, but will you pray for those of us who choose to stay?

Lisa

 

[drstevej]

If I were on the pastoral team I would urge Erwin not to do this and I would not participate.

I make it a practice to refer folks who have needs beyond my training.

===

Reminds me of the surgery scene in Spies Like Us

Dr. Imhaus: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Dr. Imhaus: Doctor
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor
[Imhaus exits]
Dr. Marston: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Dr. Marston: Doctor
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor
[Marston exits]
Karen Boyer: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Karen Boyer: Doctor
Emmett Fitz-Hume: [amorously] Doctor
[Boyer exits]
Jerry Hadley: Doctor
Austin Millbarge: Doctor
Jerry Hadley: Doctor
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor
[Hadley exits]
Austin Millbarge: We're not doctors!

 

[Auntie]

Auntie, You have a right to your opinion, but that is not what is going on. This is not a Satanic site, but it is a site that needs prayer. If you do not wish to post in 4U, that is up to you, but will you pray for those of us who choose to stay?

Lisa

I will pray for ALL the members here. But I do believe, this site has been given over to Satan.

 

[ContentInHim]

Sadly I'm beginning to think so also.

First the FU re-org where anything goes.
Now this.

I respect Tom so much.

I've been a member since 2003 under this and another ID. I'd get mad and stomp off. But this takes the cake. We keep thinking that Erwin cares. BUT HE DOESN'T AND HE'S MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS. Evil has more than a toehold here at FU (props to Tom from whom I got FU). What I've discovered about the truly mentally ill and/or demon possessed is that they are obsessed with the things of God but are unwilling to submit to his authority. Thus they agonize. My neighbor's son, my girlfriend's daughter. They cry, they go to the altar over and over, they rail at God and man BUT THEY WILL NOT CLAIM THE BLOOD because they do not want Jesus' Lordship. Period!

The ex-occultists or worse yet, Christian occultists, writing the WIKI is the inmates running the asylum.

I've really got some thinking to do. I've said this at least once a week since 7-7-7. I want my life back. I'm sick of crying about this place.

 

[3girls2dogs]

<---- raising hand, not waving.

Funny thing is, it isn't even the subforum's existence that makes me angry. It is the fact that the one's who are trying to follow the rules and behave and do the right thing (add cliche here) have once again been kicked to the curb in favor for the brash and bullying. My grandmother's favorite saying for me (because I have always been somewhat of a welcome mat) was "The squeaky wheel gets the most oil." I have never been able to be a squeaky wheel. And lately I feel very dry.

 

[Time2BCounted]

Sadly I'm beginning to think so also.

First the FU re-org where anything goes.
Now this.

I respect Tom so much.

I've been a member since 2003 under this and another ID. I'd get mad and stomp off. But this takes the cake. We keep thinking that Erwin cares. BUT HE DOESN'T AND HE'S MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS. Evil has more than a toehold here at FU (props to Tom from whom I got FU). What I've discovered about the truly mentally ill and/or demon possessed is that they are obsessed with the things of God but are unwilling to submit to his authority. Thus they agonize. My neighbor's son, my girlfriend's daughter. They cry, they go to the altar over and over, they rail at God and man BUT THEY WILL NOT CLAIM THE BLOOD because they do not want Jesus' Lordship. Period!

The ex-occultists or worse yet, Christian occultists, writing the WIKI is the inmates running the asylum.

I've really got some thinking to do. I've said this at least once a week since 7-7-7. I want my life back. I'm sick of crying about this place.

Here Content, What do you think?

http://foru.ms/t6145805-before-anyone-else-leaves-this-forum.html

Honest opinion?

 

[ContentInHim]

I'm of two minds on this. I see your point about staying and fighting for godliness here at FU but at this point I've fought for the past year or so and watched CF get flushed down the john. I may need to shake the dust off my sandals so that I'm not so angry all the time. And I have to admit that CF can become an obsession. I'm probably spending way too much unproductive time here when I could be reading, learning, fellowshipping, teaching, evangelizing, etc. all the things we have been called to do. I came here as a baby Christian and made some really good friends - even with a couple of atheists. But the spirit of this place has been darkening. I think I just need to turn it over to the Father and let Him make the decision for me.

I do love you all in this forum. I really do!

Barb