Does "all things" mean everything?

[enoch son]

are you suggesting that no one will go to hell, or that Jesus came for all?

I didn't say that Jesus did. John 3;17 you need to read it in the Interlinear bible it not what you think. Let see now how about 99 sheep and I will go after the one? Or Father I have kept them ALL but the son of perdition. which by the way was His flesh on the cross. All means All in the greek (the whole of evertthing) but thats OK God was dumb next to man and had them write down the wrong word and not what He met. talking about not having any faith. Don't believe the power of God from me. Go look it up for yourself. start with ALL.

 

[razzelflabben]

I didn't say that Jesus did. John 3;17 you need to read it in the Interlinear bible it not what you think. Let see now how about 99 sheep and I will go after the one? Or Father I have kept them ALL but the son of perdition. which by the way was His flesh on the cross. All means All in the greek (the whole of evertthing) but thats OK God was dumb next to man and had them write down the wrong word and not what He met. talking about not having any faith. Don't believe the power of God from me. Go look it up for yourself. start with ALL.

you did not answer my question. I asked you if you are suggesting that everyone (all) are saved and going to heaven or are you suggesting that Jesus came for (all) that everyone who wants to know God may? Which are you suggesting? I'm not questioning the word all, I'm questioning your interpretation of the word and what you seem to think it means. In fact, I don't know what you think it means that is why I am asking you.

If you think it means that everyone is going to heaven, we can look at scriptures that show otherwise. If you think it means that Jesus came so that all had an opportunity, we are on the same page. The question is, which page are you on?

 

[enoch son]

you did not answer my question. I asked you if you are suggesting that everyone (all) are saved and going to heaven or are you suggesting that Jesus came for (all) that everyone who wants to know God may? Which are you suggesting? I'm not questioning the word all, I'm questioning your interpretation of the word and what you seem to think it means. In fact, I don't know what you think it means that is why I am asking you.

If you think it means that everyone is going to heaven, we can look at scriptures that show otherwise. If you think it means that Jesus came so that all had an opportunity, we are on the same page. The question is, which page are you on?

No we can't look at the scriptures and see what they say because you can't get you mind around the ALL. You have made up you mind what it means. Or has Giod given light on the word? As for what I think I have made it clear GOD IS IN COTROL OF ALL.
HE IS THE ALL IN ALL NOW!

 

[razzelflabben]

No we can't look at the scriptures and see what they say because you can't get you mind around the ALL. You have made up you mind what it means. Or has Giod given light on the word? As for what I think I have made it clear GOD IS IN COTROL OF ALL.
HE IS THE ALL IN ALL NOW!

still you avoid the question, why?

As to God's authority, without question His authority is over all, in all, higher than all other. No contest, God is in control of ALL. But that isn't the question I asked you. God's authority is not in question here, He is the great I Am (notice where I said, HE IS, I've been accused before of calling myself the I Am when I clearly said HE IS THE I AM, just want to nip things in the bud before they get out of hand) But the question I asked you is do you believe that everyone (all) are going to heaven? or do you believe that Jesus came for all but not all will accept Him?

If you want to talk about authority, we will do so after you answer this question put to you. As to God's authority, it is actually a subject I enjoy talking about and studying about very much.

 

[enoch son]

still you avoid the question, why?

As to God's authority, without question His authority is over all, in all, higher than all other. No contest, God is in control of ALL. But that isn't the question I asked you. God's authority is not in question here, He is the great I Am (notice where I said, HE IS, I've been accused before of calling myself the I Am when I clearly said HE IS THE I AM, just want to nip things in the bud before they get out of hand) But the question I asked you is do you believe that everyone (all) are going to heaven? or do you believe that Jesus came for all but not all will accept Him?

If you want to talk about authority, we will do so after you answer this question put to you. As to God's authority, it is actually a subject I enjoy talking about and studying about very much.

This is the very point. Where in the world did you come up with man needs to accept Him. That makes a man god of his life. what a joke. i don't think I can state my belief any more simple.. I'm sorry if over the past 4 or 5 yrs. you haven't understood it.

 

[razzelflabben]

This is the very point. Where in the world did you come up with man needs to accept Him. That makes a man god of his life. what a joke. i don't think I can state my belief any more simple.. I'm sorry if over the past 4 or 5 yrs. you haven't understood it.

so then you don't believe the passages that talk about the sheep and the goats? The passage that says not all who call me Lord, Lord? You don't believe the passages that say that whosever believeth? You don't believe the passages that tell us there is a hell? Or who will be in that hell? Wow, so many passages I don't even know where to begin. Belief is not about being God, it's about accepting what is and is not.

It's about accepts God's authority over all.

 

[enoch son]

so then you don't believe the passages that talk about the sheep and the goats? The passage that says not all who call me Lord, Lord? You don't believe the passages that say that whosever believeth? You don't believe the passages that tell us there is a hell? Or who will be in that hell? Wow, so many passages I don't even know where to begin. Belief is not about being God, it's about accepting what is and is not.

It's about accepts God's authority over all.

there not one passage that surports your view. Let alone your idea of hell. (which one are you talking about do you even know?) I think I'm talking to one thats doesn't know him now. HE IS LOVE AND THAT SEEMS TO BE OVER YOUR HEAD. OR ARE YOU MORE IMPORTANT THEY ANYBODY ESLE IN HIS CREATION.

 

[razzelflabben]

Now my husband seems to hope that your intent is that God draws us to Him, of which both my husband and I agree. But when I read your post all I see is this assertion that everyone is saved which is totally contrary to scripture. So in the interest of being fair and objective,
1. Do you believe all are saved or
2. that those who are called and accept Christ through belief are saved.
3. neither of us can understand what your point is and you need to clarify it so we can continue on.

 

[razzelflabben]

there not one passage that surports your view. Let alone your idea of hell. (which one are you talking about do you even know?) I think I'm talking to one thats doesn't know him now. HE IS LOVE AND THAT SEEMS TO BE OVER YOUR HEAD. OR ARE YOU MORE IMPORTANT THEY ANYBODY ESLE IN HIS CREATION.

now I'm asking my husband for help in decifering your posts and neither of us understands your posts. I ask you to clarify and you seem to go off on some personal attack.


there are all kinds of scriptures that support what I am telling you and if you want to look at just one, let's look at the sheep and goats. What does that story tell us. We can talk about hell later. What does the story of the sheep and the goats tell us about God and belief?

As to love, I don't think you want to take me to task on that one, but if you do, have at it. Explain to me what part of my comments do not display God's love.

 

[enoch son]

Now my husband seems to hope that your intent is that God draws us to Him, of which both my husband and I agree. But when I read your post all I see is this assertion that everyone is saved which is totally contrary to scripture. So in the interest of being fair and objective,
1. Do you believe all are saved or
2. that those who are called and accept Christ through belief are saved.
3. neither of us can understand what your point is and you need to clarify it so we can continue on.

Strong's 1670 saids your foundation is wrong.

 

[enoch son]

now I'm asking my husband for help in decifering your posts and neither of us understands your posts. I ask you to clarify and you seem to go off on some personal attack.


there are all kinds of scriptures that support what I am telling you and if you want to look at just one, let's look at the sheep and goats. What does that story tell us. We can talk about hell later. What does the story of the sheep and the goats tell us about God and belief?

As to love, I don't think you want to take me to task on that one, but if you do, have at it. Explain to me what part of my comments do not display God's love.

I think I preached the doctrine of sin and death longer then you been a christian. You comments call Jesus a failure, I don't care what you say about me but don't call the son a failure. HE FORFILLED THE FATHERS WILL. AND HE DIDN'T NEEDS MAN HELP TO DO IT. IT WAS OVER BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

 

[enoch son]

I Can See You Have Little Or No Understanding Of The Word Aion Age Or Ages. Strong's 165 Man Turn Age Into Everlasting, Eternal Forever. God Wrote Age. So If One Doesn't Understand The Foundation Then How Will One Learn The All In All.

 

[razzelflabben]

I think I preached the doctrine of sin and death longer then you been a christian.

don't bet too much money on that one.

You comments call Jesus a failure,

not at all.

I don't care what you say about me but don't call the son a failure.

I didn't call you anything, I asked you to clarify what the heck your saying.

HE FORFILLED THE FATHERS WILL.

right and a study of God's purpose/will is a very exciting study to do, as is the study of love. Not what most think it is. But that is off topic.

AND HE DIDN'T NEEDS MAN HELP TO DO IT.

hum...what makes you think that I am suggesting man did anything but believe?

IT WAS OVER BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.

study purpose and how that was fulfilled, it is quite interesting. In the meantime why not answer the question I asked of you?

 

[razzelflabben]

Strong's 1670 saids your foundation is wrong.

you don't even know what my foundation is and your calling it wrong. Why not just answer the questions so that we can find out who is right and who is wrong, we might agree when it is all said and done, but we will never know if you don't answer the questions

 

[razzelflabben]

I Can See You Have Little Or No Understanding Of The Word Aion Age Or Ages. Strong's 165 Man Turn Age Into Everlasting, Eternal Forever. God Wrote Age. So If One Doesn't Understand The Foundation Then How Will One Learn The All In All.

You think because I ask you to explain your view that I don't understand eternal???? How do you get that???????????????????????????????

 

[razzelflabben]

Enoch son, one of the things that continues to bother me is that you never explain what you are saying but offer judgment without even knowing what another thinks or believes. Honestly, this is destructive and evil to offer this judgment so readily simply because someone asks you to explain your position because they didn't understand your posts. The problem is that I have run into you enough to know this is your MO and not just a once in awhile or mistaken understanding.

 

[enoch son]

simple! from the off topic out of place vers. you qouted It's tell me your cluess. if you understood these things you would answer right not "what do you mean or I don't understand." Simple. It's plan to see you havn't look it up and ask why is it writen wrong. GOD IS STILL THE ALL AND ALL (THE WHOLE OF EVERTHING) I DON'T THINK I CAN STATE MY BELIEF ANYMORE SIMPLELY THEN THAT.

 

[enoch son]

Enoch son, one of the things that continues to bother me is that you never explain what you are saying but offer judgment without even knowing what another thinks or believes. Honestly, this is destructive and evil to offer this judgment so readily simply because someone asks you to explain your position because they didn't understand your posts. The problem is that I have run into you enough to know this is your MO and not just a once in awhile or mistaken understanding.

You mean like having to read poist after post of so-christian condemning chidern of God eph. 3 -15 (there that word agian) to something that not in the book. And having to read their stuck-up idea that THEY pick god which isn't in the book. IT SAY'S HE PICK US (2-TIM.1-9) TO ME IT'S LIKE CALLING JESUS A FAILURE WITH OUT THIER HELP.. IT MAKES ME SICK. YOU ASK WHY? BEEN THERE DONE THAT TOO! THANK GOD HE FORGIVE ME OF IT. AND THEN HAVING SOMEONE TRY TO TEACH DEATH DOCTRINE OF MAN LIKE THEY ARE TRUTH. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I BELIEVE TRY 1 TIM. 4-10 OR 1 TIM. 2-4 WHICH MAN PUT IN DESIRES BUT THE GREEK SAY'S "WILLS".

 

[razzelflabben]

simple! from the off topic out of place vers. you qouted It's tell me your cluess. if you understood these things you would answer right not "what do you mean or I don't understand." Simple. It's plan to see you havn't look it up and ask why is it writen wrong. GOD IS STILL THE ALL AND ALL (THE WHOLE OF EVERTHING) I DON'T THINK I CAN STATE MY BELIEF ANYMORE SIMPLELY THEN THAT.

so if I dont' understand what your point is and ask you to explain yourself it is because I don't understand God. That sounds like your calling yourself God and if that is the case, God instructs me to distance myself from you. Guess that is all we have to talk about.

 

[razzelflabben]

You mean like having to read poist after post of so-christian condemning chidern of God eph. 3 -15 (there that word agian) to something that not in the book.

not a clue what you are saying here.

And having to read their stuck-up idea that THEY pick god which isn't in the book. IT SAY'S HE PICK US (2-TIM.1-9)

I directly stated that if your problem is that you think that God chooses us, that both my husband and I are in agreement with you but if you are suggesting that all are saved we disagree. From that you accuse me of saying that God doesn't choose us when I just said that both my husband and I agree that God calls us. This is the kind of nonsense judgement that flows easily from your lips as if you really do think yourself God.

TO ME IT'S LIKE CALLING JESUS A FAILURE WITH OUT THIER HELP.. IT MAKES ME SICK.

so saying that God calls us makes you sick and God a failure and you think that I don't understand God. Wow.

YOU ASK WHY? BEEN THERE DONE THAT TOO! THANK GOD HE FORGIVE ME OF IT.

I never asked why anything, I asked you what you were trying to say..

AND THEN HAVING SOMEONE TRY TO TEACH DEATH DOCTRINE OF MAN LIKE THEY ARE TRUTH.

I have offered no teaching on anything, I have spent this entire time asking you what the heck you were trying to say. So what teaching of mine that I didn't offer are you having problems with, you know the teachings that don't exist.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW I BELIEVE TRY 1 TIM. 4-10 OR 1 TIM. 2-4 WHICH MAN PUT IN DESIRES BUT THE GREEK SAY'S "WILLS".

I know how to believe, I have believed for a host of years now, and nothing, including you can separate me from the Love of God, so try if you will, I am secure in my faith that God is my Lord and savior.