Does a "Sunday Law" make sense?

[Kira Light]

Even if the unthinkable happens and everyone is forced to worship on Sunday, what would stop anyone from continuing to keep Saturday as well? I mean, you don't have to go to church on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath.

Will you be forced to go to work and watch tv on Saturday?

And couldn't you just start worshiping on Sunday as well in order to avoid the mark of the beast that will keep you from buying anything? What is wrong with worshiping God every day?

I guess a more specific question is, what will the "Sunday Law" do specifically that will force people to break the 4th commandment?

 

[Princessdi]

Ok so, I know some others will chime in but I will start.

Even if the unthinkable happens and everyone is forced to worship on Sunday, what would stop anyone from continuing to keep Saturday as well? I mean, you don't have to go to church on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath.

This is just HUGE fo SDAs. Yes, we will be prevented from attending services on Saturday, as the churches doors will be locked. Basically, the world will unite un the wings of the RCC, and as a means to bring us all together and save the world from corruption there will be eccumenical harmony with all other christian religions. They will also unite under one doctrine.....everyone except SDAs. We will refuse to worship on Sunday, be blamed for allt he ills of the world, be persecuted, have to run to the hills and mountains to hide. That is it ina nutshell. I am susre someone will come along and cut and paste the details. For those whoa re familiar with it, Jim LaHayes' end time doctrine talks about being persecuted for worhsipping the one true God, and not bowing to the Antichrist. SDAs, claim they only will be persecuted for keeping the Sabbath.


Will you be forced to go to work and watch tv on Saturday?

The is the biggest part. YES, working on the Sabbath is huge! in fact there is the Religious Liberty magazine and deptpartment that currently assists SDAs with the issues of being asked or forced to work on Saturdays. This will somehow be required of everyone. Now, this means that the Sunday Blue Laws, which are already on the books in some states, wil become national and everyone will be required to attend services on Sunday, for the sake of unity and the moral saving onf the nation, etc. To worship on saturday will actually be against the law, hence the closing of churches, and running to the hills and mountains, etc.

And couldn't you just start worshiping on Sunday as well in order to avoid the mark of the beast that will keep you from buying anything? What is wrong with worshiping God every day?

As explained above worshipping on both days will not be acceptable.

I guess a more specific question is, what will the "Sunday Law" do specifically that will force people to break the 4th commandment?

Sunday Laws, when they were enforced basically said that everything had to close down on Sunday. No stores/businesses open at all. they didn't require that you went to church, but if you thought you were going to need something, you had beter get it on Saturday, cuz Sunday you were out of luck.

Soo, I hope this helps some. As I said, I am sure someone else will be along soon to give you the long version.

 

[wpage]

Christ did not specify which day was sabbath and even violated it. So as long as we take one of the 7 for rest we are coverd.

 

[Pythons]

Jews hold more than a little power and they observe Saturday as their Sabbath......
...Islam holds Friday as Sacred and the Christian faith holds Sunday.
...If something happens whereas a religious law is concerned.
...People will either be forced to worship on Saturday OR Friday.
...The idea of a world law demanding Sunday be observed for religion is bizarre.

 

[ricker]

Ok so, I know some others will chime in but I will start.

Even if the unthinkable happens and everyone is forced to worship on Sunday, what would stop anyone from continuing to keep Saturday as well? I mean, you don't have to go to church on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath.

This is just HUGE fo SDAs. Yes, we will be prevented from attending services on Saturday, as the churches doors will be locked. Basically, the world will unite un the wings of the RCC, and as a means to bring us all together and save the world from corruption there will be eccumenical harmony with all other christian religions. They will also unite under one doctrine.....everyone except SDAs. We will refuse to worship on Sunday, be blamed for allt he ills of the world, be persecuted, have to run to the hills and mountains to hide. That is it ina nutshell. I am susre someone will come along and cut and paste the details. For those whoa re familiar with it, Jim LaHayes' end time doctrine talks about being persecuted for worhsipping the one true God, and not bowing to the Antichrist. SDAs, claim they only will be persecuted for keeping the Sabbath.


Will you be forced to go to work and watch tv on Saturday?

The is the biggest part. YES, working on the Sabbath is huge! in fact there is the Religious Liberty magazine and deptpartment that currently assists SDAs with the issues of being asked or forced to work on Saturdays. This will somehow be required of everyone. Now, this means that the Sunday Blue Laws, which are already on the books in some states, wil become national and everyone will be required to attend services on Sunday, for the sake of unity and the moral saving onf the nation, etc. To worship on saturday will actually be against the law, hence the closing of churches, and running to the hills and mountains, etc.

And couldn't you just start worshiping on Sunday as well in order to avoid the mark of the beast that will keep you from buying anything? What is wrong with worshiping God every day?

As explained above worshipping on both days will not be acceptable.

I guess a more specific question is, what will the "Sunday Law" do specifically that will force people to break the 4th commandment?

Sunday Laws, when they were enforced basically said that everything had to close down on Sunday. No stores/businesses open at all. they didn't require that you went to church, but if you thought you were going to need something, you had beter get it on Saturday, cuz Sunday you were out of luck.

Soo, I hope this helps some. As I said, I am sure someone else will be along soon to give you the long version.

Try telling my aitheist brother he has to attend church on Sunday.

I don't know the exact statistics but probably much fewer than half of the USA population attend church at all. I pesonally probably know huundreds of people who never go to church. Try telling a bad biker dude or a street gang banger they have to go to church. Good luck.

Far as that goes try telling peole they have to work on Saturdays. Maybe some of the many unemployed would do it..............

 

[Pythons]

If anything the world is getting more secular and as it does the fundamentalists in each religion get more militant...
...Especially the Muslims - there is 'zero' chance for a Sunday law.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Everyone always looks at things in the context of the here and now... would a Sunday Law enforcement be possible right now? Of course not, for the reasons already stated. Did the Jews in Germany think they would be rounded up in 1920? Did Christians thinks they would be slaughtered by the millions in Russia in 1910? If you had of proposed these things at those times, you would get the same answers that people give today for a Sunday Law.

Once chaos reaches a fever pitch around the world because of depravity and man blamed disasters continue to increase in intensity and severity, people of every stripe will become more compliant to a solution. Look up the meaning of Hegelian dialectic... its been used by those in power for decades now to get what they want.

Imagine that earthquakes and fires and floods and hurricanes and tornadoes are raging around the world 10X or more than they are right now... imagine, because of ungodliness and corruption, that heinous crimes become the norm and no one is able to stop them... then imagine and angelic being appearing to the world, proclaiming himself as the long awaited Messiah/Imam/Buddha/Krishna/Maitraya saying that these things are happening because of how mankind has been living apart from God's will and says that we need to get back in line with worshiping God on the Lords day. Imagine this being performing miracles like never seen... mass healing of the sick, storms stayed, violence decreasing at his command. Do you not think that the world will be jumping on the bandwagon of whatever this guy says?? God's true people will see this being for what it is and will be slowly marginalized and eventually ostracized and persecuted for there opposition to 'the plan'.

It OK if you don't believe me yet, it won't be long now....

 

[Kira Light]

Everyone always looks at things in the context of the here and now... would a Sunday Law enforcement be possible right now? Of course not, for the reasons already stated. Did the Jews in Germany think they would be rounded up in 1920? Did Christians thinks they would be slaughtered by the millions in Russia in 1910? If you had of proposed these things at those times, you would get the same answers that people give today for a Sunday Law.

Once chaos reaches a fever pitch around the world because of depravity and man blamed disasters continue to increase in intensity and severity, people of every stripe will become more compliant to a solution. Look up the meaning of Hegelian dialectic... its been used by those in power for decades now to get what they want.

Imagine that earthquakes and fires and floods and hurricanes and tornadoes are raging around the world 10X or more than they are right now... imagine, because of ungodliness and corruption, that heinous crimes become the norm and no one is able to stop them... then imagine and angelic being appearing to the world, proclaiming himself as the long awaited Messiah/Imam/Buddha/Krishna/Maitraya saying that these things are happening because of how mankind has been living apart from God's will and says that we need to get back in line with worshiping God on the Lords day. Imagine this being performing miracles like never seen... mass healing of the sick, storms stayed, violence decreasing at his command. Do you not think that the world will be jumping on the bandwagon of whatever this guy says?? God's true people will see this being for what it is and will be slowly marginalized and eventually ostracized and persecuted for there opposition to 'the plan'.

It OK if you don't believe me yet, it won't be long now....

Hmm, there are so many ways to go with this...

For one, I still don't see what will stop you from keeping the Sabbath. As shown many times before here in other threads, it is very simple to do. Just don't work and don't consume any secular entertainment. You could go to mandatory church services on Sunday as well to avoid the mark of the beast that stops you from buying food and stuff.

Or is the Antichrist really going to force you to work on Saturday? Heck, you can still work on Saturday as long as your job is considered a good work (like a doctor or nurse).

What can the Antichrist really do to force people to break the 4th commandment? Furthermore, he would need to be able to track those who are secretly keeping Sabbath to do anything to them. Seriously, if you just sit at home reading your Bible on Saturday, how is anyone going to find out?

And how does this mandatory Sunday worship work out? Take my elderly grandmother who can barely get around anywhere. Does he load people onto a bus at gunpoint and make them go to his Sunday services? I can't even begin to fathom how that works out.

 

[k4c]

Will people be forced to work on Saturday? Here is the bases for how this could come to be.

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.

See here...End Time Persecution

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You could go to mandatory church services on Sunday as well to avoid the mark of the beast that stops you from buying food and stuff.

You seem to be confused to what themark of the beast is.... receiving the mark means you have pledged loyalty to Satan by keeping his day... if you don't receive the mark, you won't be able to buy or sell.

The issue isn't going to be whether or not you can deceive the powers that be into thinking you are with them. Armegeddon is a spiritual battle that will be fought in the conscious of every person. Don't forget that working on Sabbath, or receiving the mark in your hand, is only half of the issue. Deciding your loyalty to God or to Satan is what happens when you receive the mark in your forhead or not. Remember, God knows your heart and will know if you have remained loyal to Him or if you are trying to save your own hide by hedging your bets.

Sister White has said that doing evangelizism work or Sunday will be good as we won't be permitted to work and that we shouldn't draw unnecessary attention to ourselves by defying the do not work order of Sunday. Going to a Sunday service, however, will be no different than the three worthy's bowing to the golden image.

 

[Stryder06]

My turn

Even if the unthinkable happens and everyone is forced to worship on Sunday, what would stop anyone from continuing to keep Saturday as well? I mean, you don't have to go to church on Saturday in order to keep the Sabbath.

Will you be forced to go to work and watch tv on Saturday?

And couldn't you just start worshiping on Sunday as well in order to avoid the mark of the beast that will keep you from buying anything? What is wrong with worshiping God every day?

I guess a more specific question is, what will the "Sunday Law" do specifically that will force people to break the 4th commandment?

My first question is why do you think it's unthinkable. Not so long ago the Catholic church was a political force to be reckoned with. They controled the common folk as well as the royalty. That said hopefully an illustration will help. It's no secret that christianity wants to turn the hearts of all the world towards God. Say one day something incredibly horrible happens on this planet. In the wake of this Disaster a shinning being appears and declares that the world has turned it's back on God and the Lord will be silent no longer. To appease His wrath the world must change and come back to God. Say during this whole thing a certain religious figurehead is looked to to lead the world back to God. Obviously people will have to start worshipping again. Perhaps a certain somone will declare that the world must keep a particular day holy and no longer transgress that day by doing their own thing.

Say that there's a particular pocket of people who refuse to accept that day and the false messiah. Say more calamaties happen, and the reason for their occurence is blamed on that small group of people who will not stand to keep that one particular day.

Now I'm not saying it's going to go down like that exactly but hopefully you get the point. The sunday law is so much more then about going to church on a certain day. It's a final test for the whole earth. No one will be left with an excuse about not knowing God or understanding the importance of keeping His sabbath. It will be time for man to choose. Will they follow God or will they follow man?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

PRINCESS: As explained above worshipping on both days will not be acceptable.

Why not? Shouldn't we worship God every day? Is there a divine prohibition against worshipping God on Sunday?

ECR: receiving the mark means you have pledged loyalty to Satan by keeping his day

Are you suggesting that "corporate worship" is the same thing as "keeping the day?" Or does "keeping the day" involve so much more than mere corporate worship?

STRYDER: The sunday law is so much more then about going to church on a certain day. It's a final test for the whole earth. No one will be left with an excuse about not knowing God or understanding the importance of keeping His sabbath. It will be time for man to choose. Will they follow God or will they follow man?

With all sincerity I respect that this is your view. I know many other sincere, wonderful people who have reached the same conclusion. What I'm missing is the Biblical basis for believing this to be true. If I could find that, I'd believe it too.

BFA

 

[Missingno]

let some churches worship on saturday while others keep sunday.
result TWO DAY WEEKEND! No more 6 day work weeks! One day for church and the other to relax. In Israel everything pretty much shuts down Friday at sundown and doesn't open till monday morning. Cause everyone has a holy day starting with jews, then muslims, then christians.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

let some churches worship on saturday while others keep sunday.
result TWO DAY WEEKEND! No more 6 day work weeks! One day for church and the other to relax. In Israel everything pretty much shuts down Friday at sundown and doesn't open till monday morning. Cause everyone has a holy day starting with jews, then muslims, then christians.

This not what God has commanded us to do... He said to work 6 days and to rest on the Sabbath.

Some have failed to see that worshiping God on Sabbath gives respect and acknowledgment that He is the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. Satan, who wants to be as God, and counterfeits everything He does, has instituted a day for worship to himself... used to be only the pagans paid homage to Lucifer on the day of the sun but sadly, many professed Christians unwittingly do also.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Missingno . . . I really like your flag. A very good reminder for us all!

let some churches worship on saturday while others keep sunday. result TWO DAY WEEKEND! No more 6 day work weeks! One day for church and the other to relax. In Israel everything pretty much shuts down Friday at sundown and doesn't open till monday morning. Cause everyone has a holy day starting with jews, then muslims, then christians.

Is it your belief that Sunday laws will eventually prohibit you from mowing your grass, cleaning your gutters or doing your laundry on Sunday?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

When I interact with those who have different views than I do, I don't see them as being people who have accepted a counterfit and rejected the Almighty Creator. Rather, I see them as being fellow believers who are made in the image of God and who simply participate in corporate worship on a different day.

BFA

 

[Princessdi]

Ok so, ECR is really demonstrating what I was talking about very well. Personally, when I see them talk the sports franchises into giving up their Sunday games, and huge retailers to close(little known fact: Sunday is very often the biggest sales day fo the weekend) on Sunday, then I will get worried.

I also forgot to say that it would not just be "a" castastrophic event that will trigger this move toward acumenical unity, but several or many world wide catastrophies, some relating to the moral aspect.

I have to admit I have a problem with most end time doctrines, as they depend on satan(not really known for his obedience to the law/rules) to cooperate to his own detriment after being given the script to follow. Everyone is looking for it to happen one way, and the completely miss it becuase it doesn't look like they thought it would. But, that's just me.

 

[OntheDL]

Try telling my aitheist brother he has to attend church on Sunday.

I don't know the exact statistics but probably much fewer than half of the USA population attend church at all. I pesonally probably know huundreds of people who never go to church. Try telling a bad biker dude or a street gang banger they have to go to church. Good luck.

Far as that goes try telling peole they have to work on Saturdays. Maybe some of the many unemployed would do it..............

Ever heard of the saying 'there is no atheist in the bomb shelter'?

I was an atheist and it took one event to change it. So considering the perils of the last days and the miracles taking place, it would not be a problem.

 

[Kira Light]

Ok so, ECR is really demonstrating what I was talking about very well. Personally, when I see them talk the sports franchises into giving up their Sunday games, and huge retailers to close(little known fact: Sunday is very often the biggest sales day fo the weekend) on Sunday, then I will get worried.

I also forgot to say that it would not just be "a" castastrophic event that will trigger this move toward acumenical unity, but several or many world wide catastrophies, some relating to the moral aspect.

I have to admit I have a problem with most end time doctrines, as they depend on satan(not really known for his obedience to the law/rules) to cooperate to his own detriment after being given the script to follow. Everyone is looking for it to happen one way, and the completely miss it becuase it doesn't look like they thought it would. But, that's just me.

It is a little strange that Satan would follow orders like this when he knows exactly how it will end.

 

[OntheDL]

Christ did not specify which day was sabbath and even violated it. So as long as we take one of the 7 for rest we are coverd.

After Pres Obama was elected, he didn't say we have to keep paying taxes. Does it mean we can now stop?

Christ did not have to specify which day was the sabbath. It was never in question. He observed and kept the sabbath holy. Are you saying He violated it thus transgressed the law of God???

So as long as we take one of the 7 for rest we are coverd.

That's humanism. Who are we to decide which day is good when God already decided it and etched in stone???