Does a GLOBAL FLOOD truly seem like the BEST explanation for seashells on mountains?

Lucy Stulz said:

There is not just one sedimentary rock layer.

And because of this. Know a great deal about how sediments deposit and what they look like in the rock record.

Remember, there will be details to explain. If there is a noachian flood deposit it will carry some unique features.

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deposits of sedimentary layers are found all over the world. Not one layer, as there are different altitudes have changed a lot in several thousand years.

Look at it this way. All it takes is one piece of evidence for a global flood to trump all the evidence against it.

gradyll said:

this myth has been analyzed several times in this forum, but how could you know this?

again, uplift caused all the tall mountains due to tectonic shifting as a result of the subterainian crusts (hydroplate) bursting and releasing water.

Thats my theory and I am sticking to it.

Oh, did I mention this happened AFTER the flood?

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no, that did never happen.

The amount of ignorance is shocking for me. I did not know that there are people out there who really believe in a global flood. Such an event is impossible in physics, contradicts anything in science.

AkiraYamato said:

The amount of ignorance is shocking for me. I did not know that there are people out there who really believe in a global flood. Such an event is impossible in physics, contradicts anything in science.

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You've been a member of this forum for almost five years and haven't seen people arguing for a global flood before? Where have you been hiding?

gradyll said:

only if all the flood water came from under. I suggest only enough to cause tectonic unbalance for mountain upheaval. The rest of the water was a downpore of a water canopy that enveloped the earth as a mist and became a solid and fell.

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You do realize that also would release enough energy to cook the earth several times over? Disregarding all other problems a water (or ice) canopy would bring.

Herman Hedning said:

You've been a member of this forum for almost five years and haven't seen people arguing for a global flood before? Where have you been hiding?

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I was never in that part of the forum.

AkiraYamato said:

I was never in that part of the forum.

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Must be a nice part where you have stayed so far. I should go there sometime.

Im more into politics.

Herman Hedning said:

You do realize that also would release enough energy to cook the earth several times over? Disregarding all other problems a water (or ice) canopy would bring.

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excuse me, I never said the majority of water in noahs flood was from hydroplate, but in my last post I mentioned a water canopy as the primary source of water. What few degrees the ocean temps raised would be of no consequences.

thanks for the reply

AkiraYamato said:

no, that did never happen.

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uuummm,

any facts you would like to share about how you came to this conclusion?

gradyll said:

uuummm,

any facts you would like to share about how you came to this conclusion?

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i went to school.

Lucy Stulz said:

There is not just one sedimentary rock layer.

And because of this. Know a great deal about how sediments deposit and what they look like in the rock record.

Remember, there will be details to explain. If there is a noachian flood deposit it will carry some unique features.

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here is paper by dr. Walt brown mentioning a few of these "vast blanket sedimentary rocks," not "one" deposit, but so many of them are thousands of miles long, that views have originated about a global sized sea (paleozic sea) they call it.

"In our southwestern states, where they are well exposed by erosion, but also across the continent and everywhere in the world, thousands to hundreds of thousands of square miles of flat, horizontal strata, from a few feet to hundreds of feet thick are found. At no location on the earth may the production of similar sedimentary deposits of like extent be observed today. These formations are composed of sandstone, graywacke, shale, conglomerate, limestone and other types of rock. Some of them extend for thousands of miles, spanning whole continents. For example, the St. Peter sandstone, composed of clean quartz grains, has been traced in twenty states from California to Vermont.11 The Shinarump conglomerate in the Southwest covers some 125,000 square miles,12 and another conglomerate blanket is reported to extend from New Mexico to Saskatchewan and Alberta.13

A continental blanket of clean sandstone, before being deposited, required a steadily flowing current traversing a great distance to separate the sand from silt and gravel. A continental blanket of conglomerate required a continent-sized maelstrom of water in violent, chaotic motion to dump an ungraded mixture of material of all sizes across thousands of miles of terrain. Tremendous water action such as that which would be produced by a global flood seems to offer the only reasonable explanation for the observed facts."

https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/flood.html


some of these deposits are so big that other theories have developed:

namely the a paleazoic sea covering most of america and more: below is a clip of some theories regarding the cambrian period (500million years ago), regarding why such sedimentary rocks are all over.

"In North America, the era began with deep sedimentary basins along the eastern, southeastern, and western sides of the continent, while the interior was dry land. As the era proceeded, the marginal seas periodically washed over the stable interior, leaving sedimentary deposits to mark their incursions. During the early part of the era, the area of exposed Precambrian, or shield, rocks in central Canada were eroding, supplying sediment to the basins from the interior. Beginning in the Ordovician Period, mountain building intermittently proceeded in the eastern part of the Appalachian region throughout the rest of the era, bringing in new sediments. Sediments washing from the Acadian Mountains filled the western part of the Appalachian basins to form the famous coal swamps of the Carboniferous Period."

more info here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleozoic


sorry it's so big, but here is the theory to explain why global flood deposits exist, mainly, not a global flood....but a sea covering most of the planet.

AkiraYamato said:

i went to school.

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thats an appeal to popular oppinion.

a logical fallacy in debate, usually resulting from premises with no factual basis.



We home school our kids- BTW

gradyll said:

excuse me, I never said the majority of water in noahs flood was from hydroplate, but in my last post I mentioned a water canopy as the primary source of water. What few degrees the ocean temps raised would be of no consequences.

thanks for the reply

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If ocean temperatures rise just a few degree most of its life would die because lack of oxygen. Warmer water can hold less oxygen. The gigantic input of organic matter would lead to an algae bloom and further destruction of the marine ecosystem. The saline and temperature circulations would break and a mass extinction would start, bigger than the permian extinction. In other words: impossible

Lucy Stulz said:

Interestingly enough sedimentary deposits occur which are related to sand dunes. These are called aeolian deposits. You can tell them by the features on the individual sand grains (frosted) as well as the structure of the layers in the rick formation. Depending on the shape of the dune structures and angle of the layers you can tell a great deal about the dune environs.

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still looking into this, but sounds like an anomaly, not a typical form of sedimentary layers.

I mean what it sounds like is sediment powder is blown over a cliff, stacked and stacked until millions of pound of pressure literally seal the rock

with no water and cemical injection, it would be amazing if this form of sedimentary layer ever produced a fossil.

but I have been known to be wrong.

please continue...

gradyll said:

thats an appeal to popular oppinion.

a logical fallacy in debate, usually resulting from premises with no factual basis.



We home school our kids- BTW

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main reason why japanese companies destroy american companies btw.

AkiraYamato said:

If ocean temperatures rise just a few degree most of its life would die because lack of oxygen. Warmer water can hold less oxygen. The gigantic input of organic matter would lead to an algae bloom and further destruction of the marine ecosystem. The saline and temperature circulations would break and a mass extinction would start, bigger than the permian extinction. In other words: impossible

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Have you ever heard the story of Daniel's three friends in the burning, fiery furnace?

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

AV1611VET said:

Have you ever heard the story of Daniel's three friends in the burning, fiery furnace?

Daniel 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.

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I´m Shinto. Japan is not christian.

AkiraYamato said:

I´m Shinto. Japan is not christian.

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Well, our "Shinto" sent a global flood, and what you called "impossible" happened.