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Does a GLOBAL FLOOD truly seem like the BEST explanation for seashells on mountains?

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All available evidence would support your assertion.

To generate a global flood water levels must raise more than 6000 meters. You would need an entire jupiter moon like Europa to bring that much water on earth.
 
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Place block of wood in the water and see how low it floats. It is floating, but barely. That earth's continental crust can be pushed downward so easily indicates that it is 'barely' floating on the 'silly putty' magma.

The aesthenosphere is usually characterized as "ductile".

There are such assemblages, but scientists have other explanations of their origins.

Well then we are left with a conundrum, which is more likely?

1. An assemblage of fossils which could arise from normal processes

or

2. An assemblage of fossils which are the result of a massive extinction event which left no other evidence whatsoever and in fact appeared to require a global catastrophe perfectly conducted and orchestrated across the globe involving non-turbulent water flooding and not in any way marked by a significant and marked decrease in biodiversity in the fossil record after it

Hmmm.

I'm guessing most of the critters drowned within the first month or so of the flood, not in an 'instant'.

Geologicall speaking that is an instant.

Considering that the sea creatures were not the intended victims they must have enjoyed a great feast.

So shouldn't we have massive global phosphatic deposits all penecontemporaneously from all the sea-creature feces?

And since we are talking marine biology seems then there should have been a SPIKE in oceanic life as there's so much to "eat" (nutrients in an ocean tend to increase the productivity of the area) followed by a massive die-off leaving ample opportunity for gigantic fossiliferous layers in the oceans. All penecontemporaneous and global in extent.


Many would have been left on the surface to rot, not entombed as fossils.

Then think about the dinosaurs. They effectively suffered a global extinction at the K-T boundary. The boundary is marked not only by a global layer with a spike in Iridium to let us know something big happened) but it is also marked because after this there was a significant change in the biota seen in the fossil record.

The rather slow velocity of the flood waters wouldn't produce widespread fossil-forming sediments.

Fossilization doesn't require a particular "velocity".

In order for fossilization to occur the bodies must be right where the deposition occurs.

Not necessarily. There are things called thanatocoenoses where the bodies and hardparts of dead animals are transported to an area of deposit.

And even then they might not be covered by the sediment but left on the surface of the deposition to merely rot away.

Correct but it seems to me that "Flood Paleontology" requires an alarmingly number of just-so events in order to make it seem as if there is almost no evidence one could reasonably assume to be from a global flood.

I have consistently opined that the whole thing is supernatural.

After all the gyrations and arabesques it would pretty much have to be.

'Life' is the most unnatural thing in the universe, and it gets more so the more you study it.

Not sure I follow. The chemistry of life is, while complex, pretty standard organic chemistry.
 
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A "global" flood is impossible.
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
 
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To generate a global flood water levels must raise more than 6000 meters. You would need an entire jupiter moon like Europa to bring that much water on earth.
Um...
 
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lol i did not know that. Thats interesting.
Nice to meet you, Akira.

If you decide to stick around -- and I hope you do -- you're going to get a first-rate education in how faith operates.
 
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Place block of wood in the water and see how low it floats. It is floating, but barely. That earth's continental crust can be pushed downward so easily indicates that it is 'barely' floating on the 'silly putty' magma.

It's wrong to thing of the mantle as a sea of liquid magma - like the gloopy, runny lava which comes out of volcanoes.

The mantle is actually pretty solid and highly viscous. It can only move very slowly which accounts for the slow speed of plate tectonics.

It's disingenuous to say that the plates 'float' like an object in water. The crust is the cooled and solidified outer part of the mantle, rather than land floating upon a liquid sea of magma.
 
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Detroit,not Jersey..
Sorry, Detroit; Wikipedia says otherwise.
SOURCE
 
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Yes, and unfortunately, most of them live in the US.

when you are the land of the free, you have a brain to question the machine.


Here is a list of global floodists, who accept also a literal creation:


Some modern scientists who have accepted the biblical account of creation and the flood*:

Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
Dr. Rob Carter, Marine Biology
Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
Timothy C. Coppess, M.S., Environmental Scientist
Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
Dr. Andrew J. Fabich, Microbiology
Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
Dr. Kenneth W. Funk, Organic Chemistry
Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
Dr. Stephen Grocott, Chemist
Dr. Vicki Hagerman, DMV
Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
Dr. Mark Harwood, Engineering (satellite specialist)
Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
George T. Javor, Biochemistry
Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
Dr. William F. Kane, (Civil) Geotechnical Engineering
Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
Dr. Johan Kruger, Zoology
Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
Dr. John G. Leslie, Ph.D., Biochemist, Physician, Archaeologist
Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist
Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
Dr. Ronald C. Marks, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell, Physician
Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918–2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
Prof. Richard Porter
Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
Dr. Kenneth Royal, Psychometrics
Dr. Ron Samec, Professional Astronomer
Dr. Joachim Scheven, Palaeontologist
Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
George S. Smith, M.S., Chemistry
Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
Dr. Stephen J. Vinay III, Chemical Engineering
Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892–1979) Surgeon
Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915–1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
Dr. Gordon Wilson, Environmental Science and Public Policy
Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology


*they must sign an application to be put on this list with references and a signed statment that they adhere to a literal creation with a global flood in the days of genesis:

believing this statement:
"The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect."

from AIG website:

Creation scientists and other biographies of interest


Now please don't use this an an opportunity to cite again that sore cite with all the evolutionary scientists, That was not what was in question. So it would in fact be arbitrary.

but you probably will.
 
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To generate a global flood water levels must raise more than 6000 meters. You would need an entire jupiter moon like Europa to bring that much water on earth.

this myth has been analyzed several times in this forum, but how could you know this?

again, uplift caused all the tall mountains due to tectonic shifting as a result of the subterainian crusts (hydroplate) bursting and releasing water.

Thats my theory and I am sticking to it.

Oh, did I mention this happened AFTER the flood?
 
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Here is a list of global floodists, who accept also a literal creation:
E-scientists are not required to accept lists of real scientists, who are actually out in the field doing the work, and not just sitting at home behind a computer venting & ridiculing everything we hold sacred, while they breathe the air God created.
 
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