Doctrine of Grace

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[SavedByGrace3]

The Doctrine of Predestination also must stay humbly under the Supreme Doctrine of Grace..

Thank you for this dear friend.
Question for clarification...
If I am not one of the "elect", who is "predestined" to be saved.... yet I call upon the name of the Lord Jesus who died for the sins of the whole world, will He ignore my call? If I am predestined for hell as some teach, then does it matter what I do, and does God ignore His own promise of salvation made to "whosoever will".
I am curious how you see this.
Thanks friend, and have a blessed holiday season!!!

 

[Rafael]

I think grace does speak over and have prededence, as you have said. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Predestination and God's sovereignty is no threat to man's free will. It only displays His power over time and eternity, and how unfathomable His power to see all of time in a moment seems to us. God knows those who will love Him and those who won't before they are born and in their mother's womb. Such power we do not comprehend, as the mind has not even thought of even half of His glory.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Psalms 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

 

[futureyouthpastor85]

Wow, that was really a good perspective - i wish some Christians would take that view of things.

 

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[TheRickster]

Isnt that why they call it "Amazing"!!!!

Grace = God's ability that gives me the ability to do the things that I do not have the ability to do...

Merry Christmas Everyone!!! Let the Love shine through!!!

 

[Trish1947]

Thank you for this dear friend.
Question for clarification...
If I am not one of the "elect", who is "predestined" to be saved.... yet I call upon the name of the Lord Jesus who died for the sins of the whole world, will He ignore my call?

Yikes! Well, I'll give an opinion, if you dont mind. I think Predestination means long before we we're born, all of us we're in the mind of God. Our personalities, our choices, who we will accept into our lives, and who we will not. So, the Bible says that who He did Predestinate, He Called. He saw who would accept Him, so he made sure He called us. So is it possible for you to call on the name of the Lord, and He ignore you? No, because He knew you would call, before you called. Is it possible for you to call on the Lord when He knew your personality before hand would not call. I dont think you would even call. I think the Lord is calling everyone, but because of who people are, not all answer.

 

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[Big Mouth Nana]

Yikes! Well, I'll give an opinion, if you dont mind. I think Predestination means long before we we're born, all of us we're in the mind of God. Our personalities, our choices, who we will accept into our lives, and who we will not. So, the Bible says that who He did Predestinate, He Called. He saw who would accept Him, so he made sure He called us. So is it possible for you to call on the name of the Lord, and He ignore you? No, because He knew you would call, before you called. Is it possible for you to call on the Lord when He knew your personality before hand would not call. I dont think you would even call. I think the Lord is calling everyone, but because of who people are, not all answer.

Good Post. I believe this also. He already knew who was going to accept Him, so He called them. God is so merciful, that I can see Him calling those that He already knew were going to reject Him anyway. It is His will that none should perish, but have everlasting life. This way, when they stand before Him, He can say, I called you but you would not heed the call. They will have no excuse on that day.

 

[thinbo]

Just a thought,

For the purposes of simplification:

'Predestination' is just a 'theological' word, how it relates to a 'theological' reality, if at all, is anybody's guess. *sorry for the typo's, was tired*

The problem with the word 'predestination' is that people use it to describe a whole range of (entirely human) understandings about salvation. We end up going round in circles, spending half our time attempting to work out what the other person is actually saying (even attempting to work out what we are actually saying).

I would suggest that in the interests of clarity we just abandon it altogether and start from scratch.

I prefer the word preordination, because all it states is that God chooses his servants before they are born. There is no negative implication. It requires no complex talk about God being outside of time and effectively carrying out the last judgement, before anyone's even been created.

It simply states that We (the church) are called (chosen), according to a purpose, and that purpose is salvation, not simply to us, but through us.

 

[thinbo]

Doctrine of Grace:

The actual word usually translated Grace in the new testament is the greek word Charis, from which we get the term Charis-matic, it is used by the new testament writers in a variety of contexts, no-one actually 'knows' what the word means. It's a bit like the word 'love' is in english, it's applied in a variety of contexts to describe a variety of entirely different things, that may or may not be related in some way.

Interestingly Paul uses the phrase 'gifts of grace', in the the same way as he uses the the phrase 'gifts of the spirit'.

The word Grace does not mean: 'Unmerited Favour'

A more faithful Doctrine of Grace, is simply as the work and ministry of the Holy Spirit. Though as with all theology, it's only ever a human attempt to understand a spiritual reality.