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Then you know the rebuke is NOT from drinking wine or strong drink....
That's what appeared when I looked for the word "deceived" I just copied and pasted it here.
It says different from what you say. It simply says that whoever consumes it is not wise.
And Deuteronomy 7:13 and Genesis 27:28, yes that's maybe a blessing but it talks about unfermented wine - - Strong's H8492 - tiyrowsh
What translation / version do you see "consumes" in keyboard?
...I've checked all the Bibles I can find online and don't see that.
I copied and pasted directly from the Strong's online....
...Which IS / uses the Blue Letter Bible.
...And the meaning is explicitly INTOXICATED.
Naturally I'm interested in what kind of "translation" you are using.....
...It can't be a paraphrase Bible because the way you have worded it has totally changed the meaning?
Ok, so what Bible are you using?
DECEIVED = 7686.....
...And whoever is DRUNK, INTOXICATED, ETC is not wise.
NKJV - Wine is a mocker, Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.
NLT - Wine produces mockers; alcohol leads to brawls. Those led astray by drink cannot be wise.
NIV - Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise.
ESV - Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.
NASB - Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever *is intoxicated by it is not wise.
ASV - Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler; And whosoever erreth thereby is not wise.
And realize it is saying the abuse of wine and strong drink is a mocker.
One side of the bible speaks negatively about the use of fermented wine and one side of the bible speaks positively of fermented wine use.
One side of the bible speaks negatively of sexual relations and one side of the bible speaks positively of sexual relationships.
One side of the bible speaks negatively of eating food and the other side of the bible speaks positively of eating food.
One side of the bible speaks negatively of money and the other side of the bible speaks positively of money.
One side of the bible speaks negatively of pleasure and the other side of the bible speaks positively of pleasure.
Which side are you on?
Exactly! there is always a right way to handle things...
the wrong thing for me is to proclaim a 'false' way of being religious.
If I tell someone that alcohol is always sin, under no circumstances is one allowed to have a drink, no matter how noble the cause, I am teaching something that is not found in the bible, in order to prove my position I have to twist and turn the bible in a way that suits my position. I wouldnt want to be doing that, and wonder why so many people go this road...
The catholic church teaches that no priest can have a wife, isnt it wonderful to be fully committed to the Lord, one could argue that they received a new light, or new present truth and that all other denoms including SDAs dont want to go that raggy road and rather have wifes and sex and stuff. Yet still they preach that a deacon must have a wife and yes, its in the bible, so is wine!!!
Eating meat and drinking fermented wine can be deep seated conscience issues. One mindset could be influenced by the fact that killing is wrong so eating meat should be wrong. One could be influenced by a past history of alcoholism or because of past physical abuse because of alcohol. This is why God never tells us to convince anyone that eating meat or drinkin wine is okay. They are called weak because of the way they believe these things should be handled. God just tells was not to partake of them in front of them.
Really? That would depend on which of the prophets and apostles you want to agree with.One side of the bible speaks negatively about the use of fermented wine and one side of the bible speaks positively of fermented wine use.....
.....One side of the bible speaks negatively of eating food and the other side of the bible speaks positively of eating food.
Which side are you on?
My bad....Sorry, the word "consumes" is only from my understanding to the word "led astray"
And I just realize this, you said
Can you be DRUNK, INTOXICATED, ETC if you did not consume it?
And here's the different versions/translations that I based my understanding upon the word "deceived"
I think, if you are led astray you consumes it? that's why it says "is not wise".
and you said
I think Proverbs 20:1 is just simply telling us that the wine and strong drink itself are mocker and raging.
Really? That would depend on which of the prophets and apostles you want to agree with.
Moses is getting underminded again......
He wrote about Noah and his family being the only people on earth.
If strong drink an issue, why did Noah get so drunk and God said nothing about it?
Why did God commanded Noah's family to eat meat?
Why did God require strong wine as a drink offering?
Why did God only require the Levites and not the Children of Israel to drink wine?
Why did Paul require the deacon and bishop to drink only a reasonable amount?
The word of God cannot be rejected or rendered as optional by new light, Or can it?
The wisdom of the word proves that it's not wise to drink wine, but to say that God commands it is questionable.
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