Doctors astonished after miraculous near death experience recovery.

[AV1611VET]

What exactly was the miracle?

I may have missed it but all I saw was someone burned badly by lightening who's Dr was mistaken about how badly it affected her.
So basically she had a terrible mishap, and she happened to be pregnant.

I think I saw enough, but I didn't watch all the video...was there pictures before and after of the burns? Are there Dr's reports stating a probable miracle? If I were a Doctor and thought a miracle had occured I would have been very careful to have detailed records of everything...video, the whole nine yards.

And I'd like to know if the doctor's names are given; but I'm not going to wade through hours of videos to find out.

Let SNOPES handle it, and I'll get the Cliffs notes from them.

Until then it's bogus as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Kenny'sID]

And I'd like to know if the doctor's names are given; but I'm not going to wade through hours of videos to find out.

Let SNOPES handle it, and I'll get the Cliffs notes from them.

Until then it's bogus as far as I'm concerned.

Agree, and unless I'm missing something, there is so much wrong here, only those who need that supernatural fix are going to buy it as a miracle. Sorry Dennis, and I'm not just talking about you.

I sometimes wonder if we would still love God if he did no miracles at all? It's just that some seem to thrive on seeing something physical, or they still need proof? Not exactly sure what the deal is with such a need for this type thing they will often see what they want to see, as in "it was probably a miracle" when in reality it probably was not to many or most people.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

OK.... so how about this one?

I actually may just listen to this again for the third time this month because this NDE account is especially astonishing for many reasons......... not the least of which being that Dr. Eben Alexander is a neurosurgeon who looks at what happened to himself different than I possibly could begin to imagine.

I am convinced that Dr. Eben Alexander is describing what he experienced, saw and heard while in coma as honestly as he humanly could do.

Agree, and unless I'm missing something, there is so much wrong here, only those who need that supernatural fix are going to buy it as a miracle. Sorry Dennis, and I'm not just talking about you.

I sometimes wonder if we would still love God if he did no miracles at all? It's just that some seem to thrive on seeing something physical, or they still need proof? Not exactly sure what the deal is?

That story was more impressive. I saw a lot in the Dr's event that ties in with what I have read about our Spiritual Journey to come.

Regards Tony

 

[AV1611VET]

I sometimes wonder if we would still love God if he did no miracles at all?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

I sometimes wonder if we would still love God if he did no miracles at all?

We sure can, to me that is Baha'i based belief, that God came for our spiritual guidance.

The greatest miracles are the changes of our heart from darkness to light.

Regards Tony

 

[AV1611VET]

We sure can, to me that is Baha'i based belief, that God came for our spiritual guidance.

The greatest miracles are the changes of our heart from darkness to light.

Regards Tony

You can dispense with the Baha'i rhetoric anytime.

In Jesus Christ dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

That means we don't share His deity with eight other manifestations.

 

[Kenny'sID]

That story was more impressive. I saw a lot in the Dr's event that ties in with what I have read about our Spiritual Journey to come.

Regards Tony

Reluctantly, I watched nearly half of it, and unless the rest suggested something miraculous, I don't see it.

I see a man who got very sick and survived a survivable disease. Was there anything else to it? I actually think he's using God/the situation, to monetize it/get famous, but again will be happy to hear reasons suggesting I am wrong.

Also, and I hope someone will tell me if I missed something, but here is a quote from the good Dr, that was obtained at the following URL:

Bacterial meningitis with such a rapid decline in neurologic function conferred a 90 percent mortality rate,

My Experience in Coma (NDE) by Dr. Eben Alexander

But then I see this when searching "Bacterial Meningitis survival rate":

One large study of adults with community-acquired bacterial meningitis reported an overall mortality rate of 21%,

Acute Bacterial Meningitis in Adults

I ask someone to check my findings because I cannot imagine the Dr being that reckless, so I must be wrong.

 

[pitabread]

The injuries ........ followed by her progressive healings...... actually led her to a whole new level of understanding of how wonderful our lives and our bodies really are.

Indeed. I just wouldn't chalk that up to a divine miracle.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Reluctantly, I watched nearly half of it, and unless the rest suggested something miraculous, I don't see it.

I see a man who got very sick and survived a survivable disease. Was there anything else to it? I actually think he's using God/the situation, to monetize it/get famous, but again will be happy to hear reasons suggesting I am wrong.

Also, and I hope someone will tell me if I missed something, but here is a quote from the good Dr, that was obtained at the following URL:

Bacterial meningitis with such a rapid decline in neurologic function conferred a 90 percent mortality rate,

My Experience in Coma (NDE) by Dr. Eben Alexander

But then I see this when searching "Bacterial Meningitis survival rate":

One large study of adults with community-acquired bacterial meningitis reported an overall mortality rate of 21%,

Acute Bacterial Meningitis in Adults

I ask someone to check my findings because I cannot imagine the Dr being that reckless, so I must be wrong.

If you read the article early on it shows the diagnosis was spontaneous E. coli meningitis. That makes a lot of difference, here is the first article that came up;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971217303156

"..The annual incidence of spontaneous community-acquired E. coli meningitis is underestimated, ranging from 2 to 5 cases per 100 000 persons. Nine percent of diagnosed patients were previously healthy. The mortality rate was found to be higher than for other bacterial meningitides, at up to 100%..."

If what he says is confirmed by Medical Science, then? I guess the next thing you could do is check the net for professionals that may have offered a sound alternate scientific explanation.

This quote from your link;

"Laboratory examination showed evidence of a bacterial infection in his cerebrospinal fluid, due to an organism that very rarely causes meningitis in adults, and, when it does, is almost always fatal or resulting in permanent neurological deficits."

Personally I see that this life is the real illusion. The dream world is also a good indication that mind transends body.

Regards Tony

 

[Kenny'sID]

If you read the article early on it shows the diagnosis was spontaneous E. coli meningitis. That makes a lot of difference, here is the first article that came up;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971217303156

"..The annual incidence of spontaneous community-acquired E. coli meningitis is underestimated, ranging from 2 to 5 cases per 100 000 persons. Nine percent of diagnosed patients were previously healthy. The mortality rate was found to be higher than for other bacterial meningitides, at up to 100%..."

If what he says is confirmed by Medical Science, then? I guess the next thing you could do is check the net for professionals that may have offered a sound alternate scientific explanation.

This quote from your link;

"Laboratory examination showed evidence of a bacterial infection in his cerebrospinal fluid, due to an organism that very rarely causes meningitis in adults, and, when it does, is almost always fatal or resulting in permanent neurological deficits."

Personally I see that this life is the real illusion. The dream world is also a good indication that mind transends body.

Regards Tony

Thanks for that. I thought I had see/heard the term e. coli as I was checking it out.

But even then, and not that I don't believe there can be miraculous healing, but I'm still skeptical. People survive the almost unsurvivable all the time, and we'll just never know if there was divine intervention there or not.

There are enough people that love the thought of the supernatural, so this is the absolute perfect opportunity for this Dr to cash in, at least that should be considered along side of what we might think is evidence for the "miracle".

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Thanks for that. I thought I had see/heard the term e. coli as I was checking it out.

But even then, and not that I don't believe there can be miraculous healing, but I'm still skeptical. People survive the almost unsurvivable all the time, and we'll just never know if there was divine intervention there or not.

There are enough people that love the thought of the supernatural, so this is the absolute perfect opportunity for this Dr to cash in, at least that should be considered along side of what we might think is evidence for the "miracle".

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, but we must find a balance.

For me It is not the miracle aspect that has any interest to me, in fact it has zero motivation to consider what life is about.

I am more inclined to find the truth of what we are. To date I have found that we are soul and mind that currently has a body in this material world. A world we know very little about as yet. Creation as it is seen by us is all far too intelligent, which logically tells me it comes from a greater intelligence.

Heck, even forests communicate.

Regards Tony

 

[hedrick]

I am convinced that Dr. Eben Alexander is describing what he experienced, saw and heard while in coma as honestly as he humanly could do.

So am I. However I think it's hard to prove that this was a real out of body experience.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Personally I am waiting for the unity of humanity so we can unlock the potential of mind and start discovering amazing things. Power well beyond current thoughts.

Such as?
What makes you think so?
What do you mean by, 'the unity of humanity', and how will it allow us to 'unlock the potential of mind and start discovering amazing things'?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If you read the article early on it shows the diagnosis was spontaneous E. coli meningitis. That makes a lot of difference, here is the first article that came up;

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971217303156

"... The mortality rate was found to be higher than for other bacterial meningitides, at up to 100%..."

That's a weird statistic - if the mortality rate was 100%, E. coli meningitis would be lethal without exception. But if not everyone who has it dies, then it's not "up to 100%" mortality rate. Sounds like the mortality rate is high but they don't know what it is...

 

[usexpat97]

I read a story of an atheist leading a man to Christ once, and it was a doctor who saved a man who nearly died. Scared the whoopies out of both of them. The patient described going to hell, as it was happening. The doctor stepped up his resuscitation efforts, and led the man through the sinner's prayer. Even he knew it. (so what is our excuse, right?). And saved the man.

The patient remained firmly in the faith thereafter, still believing that it happened exactly as he saw it. The atheist doctor got what he wanted--he saved his patient. And glad he may have saved him from hell, just in case. He went on to tell the story.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

That's a weird statistic - if the mortality rate was 100%, E. coli meningitis would be lethal without exception. But if not everyone who has it dies, then it's not "up to 100%" mortality rate. Sounds like the mortality rate is high but they don't know what it is...

Well we know one survived, plus there were more complications in his case. It just shows he has a strong case where he was not in this world for a while and I do not see a case against what he has said. But I do not need to look for that, I am sure he had such an experience that was not of this world.

The issue is more interpreting what it means, once one talks about it, worldly ideas and concepts cloud many truths.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Such as?
What makes you think so?
What do you mean by, 'the unity of humanity', and how will it allow us to 'unlock the potential of mind and start discovering amazing things'?

That is another topic. We can just quote an old saying, "Two heads are better than one".

Regards Tony

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well we know one survived, plus there were more complications in his case.

So, not 'up to 100%' mortality

It just shows he has a strong case where he was not in this world for a while and I do not see a case against what he has said. But I do not need to look for that, I am sure he had such an experience that was not of this world.

I think you'll find the record shows he was in the hospital the whole time. If what he reports is something like what he experienced, he had a vivid dream-like experience with some lucidity. I'd be wary of taking his estimations of the timeline too seriously, he was very ill, dream states have variable and unpredictable timescales, and on recall, gaps in the narrative tend to be confabulated, extending perceived elapsed time.

The issue is more interpreting what it means, once one talks about it, worldly ideas and concepts cloud many truths.

I suggest it means he was very ill and had a vivid dream experience.

Now, if he'd brought back some novel, useful, and verifiable snippet of information about the real world, that he couldn't know in advance, it might be worth further investigation. Sadly, that never seems to happen.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

That is another topic.

But you brought it up in this topic.

We can just quote an old saying, "Two heads are better than one".

That doesn't mean 8 billion heads are better than a hundred. The 'wisdom of crowds' doesn't work well for specialised areas of knowledge and expertise.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

he had a vivid dream-like experience with some lucidity

The dream world is another world of God. People find inventions and forsee the future.

Much recorded about that as well.

We choose to remain focused in the material world.

Now, if he'd brought back some novel, useful, and verifiable snippet of information about the real world, that he couldn't know in advance, it might be worth further investigation. Sadly, that never seems to happen.

I say he did and the greatest piece of advice was that this is the world of illusion.

It is ironical that we see our true spiritual existence as the illusion.

Baha'u'llah says it best;

"...The world is but a show, vain and empty, a mere nothing, bearing the semblance of reality. Set not your affections upon it. Break not the bond that uniteth you with your Creator, and be not of those that have erred and strayed from His ways. Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion. It may, moreover, be likened unto the lifeless image of the beloved whom the lover hath sought and found, in the end, after long search and to his utmost regret, to be such as cannot “fatten nor appease his hunger.”

Regards Tony