Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

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That’s not what Jesus said Mat15:1-14 Mark7:7-13

So instead of providing one shed of proof for your vague accusations, you followed up with the same, that says a lot.

Take care

I am surprised that you perceive my concerns to be vague. I think that they are quite specific.

There are professing Christians who are quite insistent that God demands that Saturday be honored as His Sabbath by engaging in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activities.

How is that vague?

 

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I am surprised that you perceive my concerns to be vague. I think that they are quite specific.

There are professing Christians who are quite insistent that God demands that Saturday be honored as His Sabbath by engaging in nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activities.

How is that vague?

Prove this with evidence, not with just because you say so. Accusations without evidence are just empty words. And we are held accountable for every accusation we make against another that is false.

What activities on the Sabbath did she promote that is in violation of what God said we should do on the Sabbath.

Quote her saying as such and than quote the Bible where it says its against. If you can’t I would consider recanting and personally I would repent.

 

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8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

 

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Prove this with evidence, not with just because you say so. Accusations without evidence are just empty words. And we are held accountable for every accusation we make against another that is false.

What activities on the Sabbath did she promote that is in violation of what God said we should do on the Sabbath.

Quote her saying as such and than quote the Bible where it says its against. If you can’t I would consider recanting and personally I would repent.

Actually "Sabbath" means rest. The Sabbath was given by God to His people as a day of complete rest. Other than resting, all else is extraneous, although perhaps of some good merit, including work that Jesus did on the Sabbath.

Mrs. White, as did the Pharisees, added to the Sabbath. The Pharisees were utterly circumspect in honoring the Sabbath. In Mrs. White's case it was with nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activities which are found nowhere in the Bible. It is just the same principle that Roman Catholics have in their form of mass, even as it now is popularly attended on Saturdays.

Do you have any particular objections to RCC Saturday masses?

 

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Actually "Sabbath" means rest. The Sabbath was given by God to His people as a day of complete rest. Other than resting, all else is extraneous, although perhaps of some good merit, including work that Jesus did on the Sabbath.

Mrs. White, as did the Pharisees, added to the Sabbath. The Pharisees were utterly circumspect in honoring the Sabbath. In Mrs. White's case it was with nineteenth-century American Protestant religious activities which are found nowhere in the Bible. It is just the same principle that Roman Catholics have in their form of mass, even as it now is popularly attended on Saturdays.

Do you have any particular objections to RCC Saturday masses?

So no proof, just because you say so. I figured.

 

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15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in d Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

 

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8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

Can you please quote the 4 OT references this passage is speaking about.

1. What the Israelites disobeyed in the wilderness
2. What God said
3. Joshua
4. David

If you don’t know these references you will not understand this passage, this passage is quoting OT and than applying it to us. I can show you each of these if you are interested in really understanding, but you may not like what it says.

 

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16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

 

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16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

There is more than one Sabbath in the Scriptures. There is the weekly Sabbath that God instituted at Creation that came before sin, that comes with God’s blessings and sanctification Exo20:11 Gen2:3 that not even Paul can reverse Num 23:20 and the annual sabbath(s) that came after sin and are tied to annual feasts days, annual holy days, food and drink offerings the context of this passage and had you not left out verse 14 its something handwritten, like the annual sabbath(s) by Moses and not written by the Holy Spirit like the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment. It’s something contrary and against, where as the Sabbath Jesus said was made for mankind Mat2:27 , what He makes for mankind is not against mankind. Why this Sabbath the apostles continued keeping decades after the Cross Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts15:21 Acts18:4 just as Jesus indicated Isa 56:6-7 Mat24:20 since it will be kept for eternity for His saints Rev14:12 thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23

 

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5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

I think it’s clear from the writings of Paul that the Sabbath, the day on which God rested from all his work (”It is finished”), is the life in Christ that we receive, so that we no longer live for ourselves.

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

11So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

 

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5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

I think it’s clear from the writings of Paul that the Sabbath, the day on which God rested from all his work (”It is finished”), is the life in Christ that we receive, so that we no longer live for ourselves.

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

11So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Not one verse in here says we don’t have to keep one of God’s finger-written commandments. Be careful with Paul writings 2Peter3:15-16 especially when using to teach something different than what Jesus said. Jesus said the Sabbath would not end after His cross for His faithful Mat24:20 or ever Isaiah 66:22-23. Does Paul really have more authority to countermand what Jesus said? No of course not.

And read the next verse in Revelation in order not to receive the mark of the beast Rev14:12 and of course this is God’s version, His Testimony Exo31:18 that no man can alter, because God promised He would not Psa89:34 Deut4:13 Mat5:18-19 and no one is above He.

Also the rest you quoted in Joshua’s day that David is referring to Psa 95:7-14 that the Israelites were to enter was the Promise Land filled with milk and honey- Jos 1:13,15

And here is the reason God gave why they never entered this land of rest Heb4:6 Eze20:15-16 and why we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter into ours Rev22:14

 

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22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,23with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothersc who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.24Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled youdwith words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

 

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22Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers,23with the following letter: “The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothersc who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings.24Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled youdwith words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: 29that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

So weird you left out verse Acts 15:21. How the Gentiles were learning the rest of what God said every Sabbath. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts18:4 just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7 Mat24:20

 

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So weird you left out verse Acts 15:21. How the Gentiles were learning the rest of what God said every Sabbath. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts18:4 just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7 Mat24:20

So? It’s the shadow of the law.

 

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So? It’s the shadow of the law.

The shadow laws are what God said He came to do, but an end to animal sacrifices and offerings. Dan9:27 as they always pointed to His great sacrifice, not with blood of animals but through Christ Hebrews10:1-14.

Anything that started at Creation, is not a shadow, it was always part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered. Why the Sabbath continues Exo20:11 Isa66:22-23

 

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The shadow laws are what God said He came to do, but an end to animal sacrifices and offerings. Dan9:27 as they always pointed to His great sacrifice, not with blood of animals but through Christ Hebrews10:1-14.

Anything that started at Creation, is not a shawdow, it was always part of God’s perfect plan before sin entered.

Right, so that’s why the work wasn’t finished until he said it was finished.

33For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.34And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For to be https://biblehub.com/nkjv/romans/8.htm#footnotescarnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e]Father.” 16The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

26And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

 

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Right, so that’s why the work wasn’t finished until he said it was finished.

You’re confusing creation, where He finished His works in 6 day but God made one more day after the sixth day, the Sabbath made for man Mark 2:27 to rest in God, so God can bless Isa59:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 because we can’t do this ourselves. Isa66:17 The work God does is draw people back to Him away from sin and rebellion if we hear His voice Heb3:7-19. Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 James2:11

33For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.34And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

3For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6For to be Romans 8 NKJVcarnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.

12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba,[e]Father.” 16The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

26And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

You are trying to make the Bible say things its not, not one of these verses says we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment - Jesus said the Sabbath would continue in the New Heaven and New Earth for worship Isa66:22-23 God said He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 Deut4:13 , not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 no Scripture can contradict God and it doesn’t. Why the Holy Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments He first wrote on stone and than wrote in our hearts 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 if we do not rebel.

If you read your own verses you just quoted it says the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and is the lost Rom8:7-8 who defines God’s laws, man or God? I am going with God, that the Sabbath commandment is part of God’s laws thus saith God In His personal written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo20:6 written by the Holy Spirit of Truth. Exo31:18 God makes no mistakes, we do. I pray you will see this one day.

It’s time for me to move on but wish you well.

 

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You are trying to make the Bible say things its not - Jesus said the Sabbath would continue in the New Heaven and New Earth for worship Isa66:22-23 God said He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 Deut4:13 , not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 not Scripture can contradict God And it doesn’t.

If you read your own verses you just quoted it says the carnal mind is not subject to the law of God and is the lost Rom8:7-8 who defines God’s laws, man or God? I am going with God, that the Sabbath commandment is part of. Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo20:6 written b the Holy Spirit of Truth. God makes no mistakes, we do. I pray you will see this one day,

It’s time for me to move on but wish you well.

You’re stuck on the shadow of former things and I don’t know why.

1Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. a3Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”b

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” c 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.” d

8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

12For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

 

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So instead of providing one shed of proof for your vague accusations, you followed up with the same, that says a lot.

In other words you don’t have an answer or refuse to answer?

BTW- you still have not answered my question. Based on your and your church’s beliefs Is not following the dietary laws a sin?

 

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BTW- you still have not answered my question. Based on your and your church’s beliefs Is not following the dietary laws a sin?

Shadow of former things