Do you worry if you are saved or not?

Nope. I also don't worry about who's a sheep and who's a goat. Or who's saved or unsaved. I treat people with the same respect I get from them, believer or not.

It's the good Lord's job to separate the two. Not mine. Or anyone else's on this earth.

There is no way you could have carefully read and considered all that I wrote to you in the time that has passed between my posting my comments and your response to them. Clearly, you are not wanting a thoughtful exchange. I'm not surprised, really. It's pretty much what I'd expect from a busy nineteen-year-old.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

When I read this I could practically picture an atheist saying what you said in the first sentence. They ask the same thing "how can you tell the bible is the main book of salvation vs the quran?" "How can you tell your God is any more real then Allah or Zeus or anyone else." "how can you tell your church is a true christian church and your denomination is any better then any other out there?"

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These are very valid questions that are made no less so simply because an atheist asks them. If an atheist said, "Two plus two equals four," would we reject his statement simply because he was an atheist? Of course not. Being an atheist doesn't mean he can't speak what is true - or ask valid and reasonable questions about the Christian faith. We ought to have good answers for such questions!

1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

What you don't understand is christianity is the most replicated thing in the world,

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LOL! You have no idea what I do or don't understand in this regard! More assumptions on your part. Not good.

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How I tell ultimately is through discernment though, being led by the spirit.

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And what does this mean, exactly? Are you talking about a voice in your head? Or a strong feeling? Or an odd physical sensation? What?

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

We had a lady that was possessed SUnday and we had to ge thte demon out of her, my Pastor was led by the spirit and noticed this in her. She was up on the alter and stuff but he was able to through the spirit detect demonic activity and he was right, she fell down and started acting strange and everything after he called the demons out. I say demons because there was more then one in her. SHe was tormented becuase of abuse she had from her mother.

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Uh huh. And so? I'm not denying the demonic is out there and must be dealt with. I'm asking you how you tell objectively what is and isn't of God.

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I'm just saying that JESUS name doesn't spur or attract demonic activity it repulses it.

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Oh, his name greatly agitates the demonic! You can get a demon to reveal its presence by the name of Jesus when it would otherwise remain hidden. But I agree that the name of Jesus doesn't promote demonic activity. However, I have observed the likes of Benny Hinn, and Creflo Dollar, and others preach the wickedest things in Jesus name and whip their audiences up into a terrible and, I think, demonic frenzy. Just saying Jesus's name doesn't prevent or repel the demonic.

Acts 19:13-16
13 But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, "I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches."
14 And seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Selah.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

First of all the bible says these are the signs of them that believe.... and it says cast out demons... lay hands on sick and see them recover and it says speak in tounques all in this same verse.

Next based off acts 2 it easily does prove this, I mean to suggest it was just a coincidence they spoke in tounques is ludicrous, the bible is the mind of God not just a history book. Additionally i've experienced this myself multiple times and a refilling today at church, it's real man. The spirit of God is real.



And honestly you're not making any sense. So you're saying the bible (it does though) doesn't prove that you shouldn't doubt being saved yet you don't doubt that you are saved through your method of salvation?

This is part of the reason the church is so weak right now... people doubting their own salvation (assuming they even have it).

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Salvation is a process, not a condition.

You must endure to be saved.

Thursday said:

Salvation is a process, not a condition.

You must endure to be saved.

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It's both. It's required to make it to heaven but it's also a process in that it takes time to weed out sin and weight from a life of sin. In that it is a lifelong process to get close to jesus. Once you get the holy ghost and weed out that stuff you're saved, all you gotta do as you pointed out after that is endure to the end and keep increasing in christ.


If it were only a process alone that would be a problem, it would be impossible to define salvation and thus impossible to tell if we are saved and on the right track, which is why acts is useful to read. It shows us signs the apostles displayed.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

It's both. It's required to make it to heaven but it's also a process in that it takes time to weed out sin and weight from a life of sin. In that it is a lifelong process to get close to jesus. Once you get the holy ghost and weed out that stuff you're saved, all you gotta do as you pointed out after that is endure to the end and keep increasing in christ.


If it were only a process alone that would be a problem, it would be impossible to define salvation and thus impossible to tell if we are saved and on the right track, which is why acts is useful to read. It shows us signs the apostles displayed.

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It is a process, as scripture makes clear.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Gal 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

aiki said:

There is no way you could have carefully read and considered all that I wrote to you in the time that has passed between my posting my comments and your response to them. Clearly, you are not wanting a thoughtful exchange. I'm not surprised, really. It's pretty much what I'd expect from a busy nineteen-year-old.



These are very valid questions that are made no less so simply because an atheist asks them. If an atheist said, "Two plus two equals four," would we reject his statement simply because he was an atheist? Of course not. Being an atheist doesn't mean he can't speak what is true - or ask valid and reasonable questions about the Christian faith. We ought to have good answers for such questions!

1 Peter 3:15
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;



LOL! You have no idea what I do or don't understand in this regard! More assumptions on your part. Not good.



And what does this mean, exactly? Are you talking about a voice in your head? Or a strong feeling? Or an odd physical sensation? What?



Uh huh. And so? I'm not denying the demonic is out there and must be dealt with. I'm asking you how you tell objectively what is and isn't of God.



Oh, his name greatly agitates the demonic! You can get a demon to reveal its presence by the name of Jesus when it would otherwise remain hidden. But I agree that the name of Jesus doesn't promote demonic activity. However, I have observed the likes of Benny Hinn, and Creflo Dollar, and others preach the wickedest things in Jesus name and whip their audiences up into a terrible and, I think, demonic frenzy. Just saying Jesus's name doesn't prevent or repel the demonic.

Acts 19:13-16
13 But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, "I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches."
14 And seven sons of one Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
16 And the man, in whom was the evil spirit, leaped on them and subdued all of them and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Selah.

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There is no way you could have carefully read and considered all that I wrote to you in the time that has passed between my posting my comments and your response to them. Clearly, you are not wanting a thoughtful exchange. I'm not surprised, really. It's pretty much what I'd expect from a busy nineteen-year-old.

My Response: Well I have to admit the busy 19 year old part applies, I have plans around 12:20. But you're forgetting something about my generation, we type fast. Another thing you're forgetting, since I understand scripture and such I actually read... so it doesn't take me long to go through what you stated and make sense of it.

You didn't present anything new that we didn't discuss I didn't have to spend much time evaluating it. our conversation has become repetitive now.



These are very valid questions that are made no less so simply because an atheist asks them. If an atheist said, "Two plus two equals four," would we reject his statement simply because he was an atheist? Of course not. Being an atheist doesn't mean he can't speak what is true - or ask valid and reasonable questions about the Christian faith. We ought to have good answers for such questions!


My Response: lol you don't get it. What i'm saying is let's say i'm a lawyer and you're a chef. Sure a chef can ask questions about what it takes to be a lawyer but he can't claim to know what it's like. Sure he can learn what it takes to be a lawyer and the laws and stuff but he can't just get up and be a lawyer in a court of law with 0 experience and perform well.

Sure an atheist can know the bible 100% but he can't know God and expect to be asked to minister the word and do things for christ.


We watch things from the outside such as an NBA game or something of that matter and know everything about that event or that sport, but we can't truly say we have more insight then the individual in the event, in the sport, in the church, etc. THere's nothing like a personal walk.



Uh huh. And so? I'm not denying the demonic is out there and must be dealt with. I'm asking you how you tell objectively what is and isn't of God.


My Response: You mean to tell me you've been reading the bible for 40 years and you don't know that answer? Also I told you already spiritual discernment and I simply used that as an example.




And what does this mean, exactly? Are you talking about a voice in your head? Or a strong feeling? Or an odd physical sensation? What?

My Response: a strong feeling is simply emotionalism, people confuse it for spiritual activity. It would help if I knew what you were responding to here though. I don't know what you're asking here.






I have observed the likes of Benny Hinn, and Creflo Dollar, and others preach the wickedest things in Jesus name and whip their audiences up into a terrible and, I think, demonic frenzy. Just saying Jesus's name doesn't prevent or repel the demonic.

My Response: True which is why I provided the example at my church to show we aren't simply just stirring up demons and dancing around with them.

With creflo dollar they don't cast them out, they simply stir them up a bit if anything. HE also clearly talks about "seeds" a bit too much... and he even told his members fasting/prayer doesn't matter just your money and they laughed and agreed. He doesn't even cast out demons (he couldn't anyway since he has some himself prob) he rather entertains them. There was a preacher who even said he's a sinner so he has sinners help him preach on the pulpit.

Thursday said:

It is a process, as scripture makes clear.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

Gal 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by everyone on account of My name, but the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

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I respect your opinion but as I stated already I don't agree


John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:


Also matthew 10:22 says they that endure to the end will be saved. It clearly states that your saved you just have to stay saved and stay with the apostles doctrine. You're not just living on Earth as a sinner...that's not what God wants.


Romans 6:18 being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness



Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:


Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



now scriptures make it clear after we get saved we have to develop. But you are saved once you follow acts 2:38.... as most people agree even if they view that verse differently. Most believe there is something called a status as a christian...which you achieve when you are saved. Sure you develop and increase... but you are saved.


And remember saved means being free from sin as you see in romans 6:18. That's all it is, it doesn't mean you're perfect or anything. YOu must add stuff to your faith and be anointed by God as well.


Now sanctification is being set aside for God, that's a step further.

An annoting is being called by called and receiving power to do something, that's further also.

But salvation is simply being free from sin.


2 Peter 1:5-11King James Version (KJV)
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

And sure like i mentioned a while back with you the bible isn't like a powerpoint where it says straight up do this in that but rather it gives us examples lots of times and stories and experiences.

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Actually, Scripture does both. I'm sure you've heard of the Ten Commandments. They are about as "straight up" as you can get about what we should and shouldn't do.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

And you sound a lot like an atheist here again tbh, "which thing is more easy to prove with facts?" I'm not pointing out this atheist stuff again and again to be egotistical or anything, i'm just trying to help you realize you need help.

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Uh huh.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

YOu did say that actually, or you worded what you were trying to say poorly.

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Or you didn't read carefully which is what I think actually happened.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

I'm humble just confident in the GOd that resides in me. And i'm not talking with another believer right now so not sure what that has to do with anything.

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Well, it's a good thing you don't get to decide who is and isn't a believer, then. You can't recognize a brother in Christ when you're talking to one! Yikes!

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

When I say I'm not speaking to a believer I mean it, you continuously display signs of atheism and this is yet another one. Utilizing verses out of context.

That verse is referring to the people who simply saw JESUS as a meal ticket (i'm referring to the multitude) rather then the mighty God who can offer salvation.

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Hey, you can make whatever assertions about my faith that you like. I have atheists make rude remarks to me, too. No biggie.

Actually, you're quite wrong about the context of Jesus's words in Matthew 12:39. He was responding to the request of the Pharisees who were trying to test him. You seem to have the wrong end of the stick about a lot of Scripture...

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

then why remove it... wth? And I do though to answer your question. THe bible is the mind of God, it's the thoughts of the thinker. It's instructions before we leave Earth.

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And how do you know this? What can you offer as a reasonable basis for your claims about the Bible? I can offer many.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

No my friend the devil has you. You believe becuase you have walked in truth for 40 years you've been with God but you haven't.

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Uh huh. Fortunately, your saying so doesn't make it so.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

You're like the pharisees or hte priest of old, you walked in truth for decades but you are missing something. You've haven't walked in spirit and truth, you haven't received the holy ghost.

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Ah. The hubris of a teenager. How eager you are to speak to matters about which you are totally ignorant. That's okay. God'll sort you out.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

Maybe GOd send me to inform you idk,

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Or vice versa, young man.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

but when it comes to having a relationship with God... i'm closer then you and I can help you be close spirit wise if you just listen.

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This is very sad...

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

Anyone can walk in truth for a logn time, but walking in spirit is another thing.

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There is no walking in the Spirit without walking also in the truth. The two things go together. When you are more mature in the Christian faith, you'll understand this.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

Performing miracles and under the anointing of God is another, having the spirit of God is another thing altogether and you can still get him man. It's not too late.

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Again, your foolish words here are very sad.

Selah.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

I respect your opinion but as I stated already I don't agree


John 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:


Also matthew 10:22 says they that endure to the end will be saved. It clearly states that your saved you just have to stay saved and stay with the apostles doctrine. You're not just living on Earth as a sinner...that's not what God wants.


Romans 6:18 being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness



Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:


Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.



now scriptures make it clear after we get saved we have to develop. But you are saved once you follow acts 2:38.... as most people agree even if they view that verse differently. Most believe there is something called a status as a christian...which you achieve when you are saved. Sure you develop and increase... but you are saved.


And remember saved means being free from sin as you see in romans 6:18. That's all it is, it doesn't mean you're perfect or anything. YOu must add stuff to your faith and be anointed by God as well.


Now sanctification is being set aside from God, that's a step further.

An annoying is being called by called and receiving power to do something, that's further also.

But salvation is simply being free from sin.


2 Peter 1:5-11King James Version (KJV)
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

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1) John 3:36 is present tense. What happens if you stop believing? Does the bible tell us that sin can shipwreck our faith?

2) Yes, grace is the gift of God and we can't be saved without it. That doesn't mean we can live a life of disobedience to Christ and still go to heaven.

I don't see any other verses that are relevant to this discussion in your filibuster.

aiki said:

Actually, Scripture does both. I'm sure you've heard of the Ten Commandments. They are about as "straight up" as you can get about what we should and shouldn't do.



Uh huh.



Or you didn't read carefully which is what I think actually happened.



Well, it's a good thing you don't get to decide who is and isn't a believer, then. You can't recognize a brother in Christ when you're talking to one! Yikes!



Hey, you can make whatever assertions about my faith that you like. I have atheists make rude remarks to me, too. No biggie.

Actually, you're quite wrong about the context of Jesus's words in Matthew 12:39. He was responding to the request of the Pharisees who were trying to test him. You seem to have the wrong end of the stick about a lot of Scripture...



And how do you know this? What can you offer as a reasonable basis for your claims about the Bible? I can offer many.



Uh huh. Fortunately, your saying so doesn't make it so.



Ah. The hubris of a teenager. How eager you are to speak to matters about which you are totally ignorant. That's okay. God'll sort you out.



Or vice versa, young man.



This is very sad...



There is no walking in the Spirit without walking also in the truth. The two things go together. When you are more mature in the Christian faith, you'll understand this.



Again, your foolish words here are very sad.

Selah.

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Well, it's a good thing you don't get to decide who is and isn't a believer, then. You can't recognize a brother in Christ when you're talking to one! Yikes!

My Response: you're delusional smh.



Hey, you can make whatever assertions about my faith that you like. I have atheists make rude remarks to me, too. No biggie.

My Response: you're double minded though, you're kind of dwelling in both areas, it's why you have "christians" and atheist make remarks about you.



Actually, you're quite wrong about the context of Jesus's words in Matthew 12:39. He was responding to the request of the Pharisees who were trying to test him. You seem to have the wrong end of the stick about a lot of Scripture...


My Response: that's on me I thought you were quoting another scripture. It happens in a long conversation like this and you've misunderstood your fair share of scripture thus far tbh even decided to remove one from existence, i'm still not sure how that verse is applicable though. Also it seems you simply have something against teenagers lol. IK this is a common trait in older people but it seems higher then even the norm for you.





There is no walking in the Spirit without walking also in the truth. The two things go together. When you are more mature in the Christian faith, you'll understand this.


My Response: It never ceases to amuse me how much you fail to understand me. You didn't read what I said at all. I said you're only walking in truth not spirit but you must walk in both.

I assume you're saying becuase I've been filled with teh spirit of God for only 7 months I can't be walking in truth. Everyone grows at a different rate, some take 3 years to learn 100 scriptures others a few months. I'm walking in spirit and in truth, what you don't understand is walking in spirit and in truth is simply being filled with his spirit and living by the word. It doesn't matter if you only have one scripture memorized so far in your walk as long as you learn and improve each day and really know the word at least and understand God and the bible itself your walking.




SUre it's only been 7 months for me but i've done many things in my short walk. People always assume i've been saved for years (not saying this to be egotistical just saying this to show duration doesn't matter).


There are some who get saved at 9 and start preaching at 12. IDK about you but was falling asleep in church at 12. I'm listening to a guy now who's like 36 and leading a church of 5,000 + called FGHT dallas. That's more then me and you have done so far and you're older then him.

Age doesn't define what you do walking in spirit and truth does.

Thursday said:

1) John 3:36 is present tense. What happens if you stop believing? Does the bible tell us that sin can shipwreck our faith?

2) Yes, grace is the gift of God and we can't be saved without it. That doesn't mean we can live a life of disobedience to Christ and still go to heaven.

I don't see any other verses that are relevant to this discussion in your filibuster.

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John 3:36 is present tense. What happens if you stop believing? Does the bible tell us that sin can shipwreck our faith?

My Response: Of course not. the bible says we can seek repentance.


Yes, grace is the gift of God and we can't be saved without it. That doesn't mean we can live a life of disobedience to Christ and still go to heaven.

My Response: ....dude you're so lost. I never said I believed in once saved always saved. I'm simply saying that I believe that you can be saved right now. BEing saved is simply free from sin. Based off acts 5 backsliding is realistic.


I don't see any other verses that are relevant to this discussion in your filibuster

My Response: again your opinion taking hold here and that's fine. I didn't see your verses as relevant either but I still chose to respect them and read them.

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But you're forgetting something about my generation, we type fast.

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Unfortunately, your thinking isn't keeping up with your typing.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

lol you don't get it. What i'm saying is let's say i'm a lawyer and you're a chef. Sure a chef can ask questions about what it takes to be a lawyer but he can't claim to know what it's like. Sure he can learn what it takes to be a lawyer and the laws and stuff but he can't just get up and be a lawyer in a court of law with 0 experience and perform well.

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To use your analogy: A chef may not know what it is like to be lawyer but he can most certainly ask why the lawyer thinks he is a lawyer, or why the lawyer believers the law is important. These are sensible questions to ask even though the chef isn't a lawyer. So, too, with the atheist. He may not know what it is to be a believer but he can certainly ask believers why they think they are disciples of Christ, or why believers think being a believer is important, or any of a wide number of equally valid questions about the reasons for a Christian's faith. And as the verse I posted to you commands, we ought to be ready to give them a good answer. Are you ready? I am.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

Sure an atheist can know the bible 100% but he can't know God and expect to be asked to minister the word and do things for christ.

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I never suggested otherwise.

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You mean to tell me you've been reading the bible for 40 years and you don't know that answer?

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Oh, I know the answers. I just don't think you do. And your vague, deflective answers seem to prove it.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

a strong feeling is simply emotionalism, people confuse it for spiritual activity. It would help if I knew what you were responding to here though. I don't know what you're asking here.

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Sure you do. My question is very simple and straightforward: What do you mean by "being led by the Spirit"?

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True which is why I provided the example at my church to show we aren't simply just stirring up demons and dancing around with them.

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This is quite beside my point. I was explaining both from what I've observed and what Scripture says that Jesus name by itself is not proof against the demonic. Your answer above avoids my point.

Selah.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

John 3:36 is present tense. What happens if you stop believing? Does the bible tell us that sin can shipwreck our faith?

My Response: Of course not. the bible says we can seek repentance.

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1 Tim 1:19
Cling to your faith in Christ, and keep your conscience clear. For some people have deliberately violated their consciences; as a result, their faith has been shipwrecked.

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Unfortunately, your thinking isn't keeping up with your typing.



To use your analogy: A chef may not know what it is like to be lawyer but he can most certainly ask why the lawyer thinks he is a lawyer, or why the lawyer believers the law is important. These are sensible questions to ask even though the chef isn't a lawyer. So, too, with the atheist. He may not know what it is to be a believer but he can certainly ask believers why they think they are disciples of Christ, or why believers think being a believer is important, or any of a wide number of equally valid questions about the reasons for a Christian's faith. And as the verse I posted to you commands, we ought to be ready to give them a good answer. Are you ready? I am.



I never suggested otherwise.



Oh, I know the answers. I just don't think you do. And your vague, deflective answers seem to prove it.



Sure you do. My question is very simple and straightforward: What do you mean by "being led by the Spirit"?



This is quite beside my point. I was explaining both from what I've observed and what Scripture says that Jesus name by itself is not proof against the demonic. Your answer above avoids my point.

Selah.

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Unfortunately, your thinking isn't keeping up with your typing.


My response: Logically this doesn't even make sense. If i wasn't thinking I wouldn't be typing words but rather just letters.



I never suggested otherwise.

My Response: your atheist analogy did.


Oh, I know the answers. I just don't think you do. And your vague, deflective answers seem to prove it.

My Response: If your responses are this short...i'm not sure why I should give a long response back.



This is quite beside my point. I was explaining both from what I've observed and what Scripture says that Jesus name by itself is not proof against the demonic. Your answer above avoids my point.

My Response: And clearly I supported this notion, that not everyone who uses the name of JESUS is living Godly. But you didn't notice that. I agreed with you.

aiki said:

Unfortunately, your thinking isn't keeping up with your typing.



To use your analogy: A chef may not know what it is like to be lawyer but he can most certainly ask why the lawyer thinks he is a lawyer, or why the lawyer believers the law is important. These are sensible questions to ask even though the chef isn't a lawyer. So, too, with the atheist. He may not know what it is to be a believer but he can certainly ask believers why they think they are disciples of Christ, or why believers think being a believer is important, or any of a wide number of equally valid questions about the reasons for a Christian's faith. And as the verse I posted to you commands, we ought to be ready to give them a good answer. Are you ready? I am.



I never suggested otherwise.



Oh, I know the answers. I just don't think you do. And your vague, deflective answers seem to prove it.



Sure you do. My question is very simple and straightforward: What do you mean by "being led by the Spirit"?



This is quite beside my point. I was explaining both from what I've observed and what Scripture says that Jesus name by itself is not proof against the demonic. Your answer above avoids my point.

Selah.

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TBH I think you might as well make another thread for just me and you or we might as well just move on.


This isn't getting anywhere, it's become just tiny "cute" rebuttals over and over again about the same points.

I'm not even sure what our original discussion was about anymore.





Additionally none of us has been convinced by the other by a single thing. And i'm personally losing interest in this conversation (hint my baby responses).

If you compare the quality of our discussion earlier to what it is now it's yeah.

It's time to end it. God bless

hi If I worried I would get so worried . Salvation is the thing .

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It happens in a long conversation like this and you've misunderstood your fair share of scripture thus

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Feel free to show this. You make the assertion but have yet to demonstrate that it is true.

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Also it seems you simply have something against teenagers lol.

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No. Not at all. Just the ones who think they know better than those who have lived far longer than they have.

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

I said you're only walking in truth not spirit but you must walk in both.

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No, I understood you. You, though, didn't understand me. There is no walking in the truth without walking also in the Spirit; you cannot be walking in God's truth without also walking in His Spirit. (Jn. 16:13) As I said, when you understand God's word better, you will realize this.

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I assume you're saying becuase I've been filled with teh spirit of God for only 7 months I can't be walking in truth.

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You make a great many assumptions. Too many, really. But I suppose this goes with being a nineteen-year-old who thinks he knows more about the Christian faith than a man who has studied it and lived it for twice as long as the nineteen-year-old has been alive.

In fact, I don't make the assumption you do and think because you don't yet understand God's truth well that you aren't indwelt by His Spirit. That's the mistaken assumption of a nineteen-year-old novice to the faith, not a believer who is my age and has walked with God as long as I have.

Selah.

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No. Not at all. Just the ones who think they know better than those who have lived far longer than they have.

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I think it's safe to assume that the great majority of teenagers think like that. LOL. Things never change, do they?

GeorgeJ said:

I think it's safe to assume that the great majority of teenagers think like that. LOL. Things never change, do they?

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For real man

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:

For real man

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I know better now, and so will you as you grow older. There's no need in trying to convince you at this point in your life.