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Because you are presuming them to be literal and will not be convinced otherwise.
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*Sigh* If Darwinism is true, then we would see tons of transitional fossils everywhere. But they are nowhere to be found. We do not see any half giraffe and half something else type bones. There is no slow progression of these fossils (Which should be discovered by us by now if Darwinism was true).
Why are you not discussing the words of Jesus with me?
Please explain, "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
God has worked and worked and worked and worked from infinite time in the past......
The Cyclic Model of the Universe postulates an infinite number of Big Bang type events over infinite time in the past.......
This last one was the best one of all...... and made possible the creation of Adam and Eve.... Who knows how many Big Bang events may have been done by G-d because there was one of them in which the Morning Stars sang for joy......... A third of the angels later on rebelled......
So
Job 38
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
God made possible the creation of Adam and Eve. Not whatever amounts of Big Bangs there were. Sounds like to me you are presenting God created everything by chance. Whereas whether you believe in intelligent design or young earth creationism, I assume we can all agree that when we read Genesis 1-2, we see clearly that God had a plan.
I'm scratching my head here... Why does intelligent design have to mean that God evolved?I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:
Matthew 5:25
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
What I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus means by this is...... agree with our opponents to the degree that our adversaries are perhaps correct...... or at least could be correct..... because there is so much information that each of us cannot possibly know enough about to be dogmatic on all subjects.
An Ancient of Days the Father, an Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit and Seven or fourteen Elohim led by the Word / Logos, who made Adam and Eve in their image....... may be first and foremost scientists, composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.... according to String Theory........ who existed from eternity in the past.
If... in a sense God planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang or Big Flash events...... over eternity in the past.......... then perhaps before creating our ancestors Adam and Eve... maybe God got better and better and better at creation?
Before the creation of Adam and Eve it seem that Lucifer and one third of the angels had already fallen.
So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
This is my attempt to agree with our Agnostic and Atheistic adversaries.... to at least some degree.
I'm scratching my head here... Why does intelligent design have to mean that God evolved?
See this is a revived 2017 thread. Did not read beyond the first page as is obviously from someone trying to reconcile a young earth perspective. A worthwhile pursuit on views that IMO need to change lest Christianity continue to hemorrhage believers. As an old science educated Christian person that seeks salvation with eternal life, I too am searching for truth.
ID proponents that insist on rigid Bible inerrancy and infallibilty are never going to change secular public opinions on the subject. Instead the never ending battle with equally dogged agnostic and atheist science persons that media tends to focus on, only tends to widen the gap. Notions like multi-universes, god is on another plain of existence, time travel, precognition, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence, miracles like magic, and like fringe ideas likewise dig a deeper scifi hole. As someone that has possible alternate ideas, especially with Genesis, I'm fine with what the Bible relates and reinterpret it in new ways.
Moses with his primitive understanding of that day may have vaguely written parts of Genesis from a vision God gave him as best he could. God certainly wasn't going to give him a real explanation because it would all go over his head. Instead he let whatever Moses write alone, then probably had a good laugh along with his angels. Consider at that time they were not considering what a human science knowledgeable race might do with it thousands of years later but rather just the Israelites of that primitive age. If God and his angels are looking down on these conversations today, they may be now wondering how to fix the situation while remaining hidden, invisible. Some would argue, just let it be because eventually humans with the mind God gave them will figure it out as science continues to advance.
I believe both Intelligent Design and Young Earth Creationism should be taught in schools. Provide the premise for both sides and let the student decide what they believe is true. I went to a Bible College and this is exactly what they have done.
If we are just talking about public schools, or schools not affiliated with some sort of religion, I'd much rather the Gospel be taught than any view of creation.
Is learning something new necessarily evolving? God knows everything before it happens, because he is in no way bound by time, space, or our little imaginations of what he is. Actually even saying he knows before is incorrect because there is no before or after with him.That is not a dogmatic part of Theistic Evolutionary Theory..... that is one variation on Theistic Evolutionary Theory.... but a logical one......... Basically..... can G-d learn something new??????
This is relevant to the question of DID G-d know that Covering Cherub Lucifer Satan would probably rebel.... even before he was created?????????
Is learning something new necessarily evolving? God knows everything before it happens, because he is in no way bound by time, space, or our little imaginations of what he is. Actually even saying he knows before is incorrect because there is no before or after with him.
Are you open theist? In that case, I think God was just using easily understood language. I don't believe he didn't already know.OK..... can YHWH..... create a situation in which YHWH is at least somewhat surprised?????????
Gen 22:12
And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
The op has posted that in some things he used to believe what Scripture says as Yahuweh has revealed it once for all and to us who continue to believe Scripture,I'm scratching my head here... Why does intelligent design have to mean that God evolved?
The op has posted that in some things he used to believe what Scripture says as Yahuweh has revealed it once for all and to us who continue to believe Scripture,
then he read some ungodly experiences (fake spiritual zones or something like that),
that I guess tickled his ears or emotions and convinced him to believe some things (or many things?) that are contrary to all Scripture. i.e. Scripture is no longer his final authority/ the standard for which to live and think and judge by.
Are you open theist? In that case, I think God was just using easily understood language. I don't believe he didn't already know.
Open Theism is the thesis that, because God loves us and desires that we freely choose to reciprocate His love, He has made His knowledge of, and plans for, the future conditional upon our actions. Though omniscient, God does not know what we will freely do in the future.I am not even sure what the phrase "open theist" means?
Taking the nde as true is bad enough. Letting it move thinking away from God's Word, opposed to God's Word, is still worse. The Standard did not change - no, you moved away from it, you changed away from the truth.Actually what I wrote is that I used to believe in the Soul Sleep theory that I now regard as almost certainly being false. Near death experience accounts caused me to rethink
2 Corinthians 12
and many other scriptures that I once though of as metaphors or mere parables.
Taking the nde as true is bad enough. Letting it move thinking away from God's Word, opposed to God's Word, is still worse. The Standard did not change - no, you moved away from it, you changed away from the truth.
Moses with his primitive understanding of that day may have vaguely written parts of Genesis from a vision God gave him as best he could. God certainly wasn't going to give him a real explanation because it would all go over his head.
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