Do you want to go to heaven???????????????

[MehGuy]

Doesn't it say God wipes away every tear in heaven?

It's impossible not to be happy up there. Your perception of thing totally changes. You're literally unable to feel pain ever again.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Doesn't it say God wipes away every tear in heaven?

It's impossible not to be happy up there. Your perception of thing totally changes. You're literally unable to feel pain ever again.

Yeah, uh, I kind of don't take Revelation literally, I don't take it literally at all. The point of Revelation to me, basically, is that no matter the circumstances God wins, not to describe what will happen at the end and after the end.

 

[MehGuy]

Still, why would there be pain/turmoil in heaven?

Once you're in heaven, your ordeal is over with forever.

You could stare at a brick wall for the rest of your life, and still be filled with glee.

I hear some atheists and people say heaven would be boring, but your perceptions would be altered in such a way, that boredom would be impossible and never happen.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Still, why would there be pain/turmoil in heaven?

Once you're in heaven, your ordeal is over with forever.


You could stare at a brick wall for the rest of your life, and still be filled with glee.

I think everyone will reach that point. What I am saying is that there will be people in the restored universe who will be utterly miserable because of the circumstances, Hell. They are still so focused on themselves that God cannot reach them, and thus will let them utterly destroy themselves as long as necessary before they can be reconciled.

I hear some atheists and people say heaven would be boring, but your perceptions would be altered in such a way, that boredom would be impossible and never happen.

So many people, even Christians have such a misunderstanding of what Heaven will be like. It's not going to be this spiritual place where we endlessly sing praises to God for eternity, it's going to a physical place.

 

[MrMoe]

Still, why would there be pain/turmoil in heaven?

Once you're in heaven, your ordeal is over with forever.

You could stare at a brick wall for the rest of your life, and still be filled with glee.

I hear some atheists and people say heaven would be boring, but your perceptions would be altered in such a way, that boredom would be impossible and never happen.

Your the most spiritual atheist I've ever known! You think more deeply about christian things than most christians do!

 

[Nilloc]

Still, why would there be pain/turmoil in heaven?

Once you're in heaven, your ordeal is over with forever.

You could stare at a brick wall for the rest of your life, and still be filled with glee.

That's the postmodern conception of the eternal state. I doubt the language Revelation was meant to be taken to that extreme. And even in Revelation (21:24-26, 22:2) there's implications that things can and will improve over time in the new creation.

 

[MehGuy]

Your the most spiritual atheist I've ever known! You think more deeply about christian things than most christians do!

Well, I was pretty obsessed with Christianity growing up.

Christianity used to fill me with great wonder. I remember visiting my grandmother and grandfather when I was five or six and being obsessed with this statue of an angel praying to God. It reminded me of the martyrs who died for the faith in ancient roman times. Thinking about it would give me such vivid and intense emotions.

That's what people like Greatnews and others do not realize, I was once a pretty dedicated Christian. The only thing I regret was that I did not study or read the Bible enough. Most of my thoughts/ideas came from my own mind.

It was good times, but it was to meant to last. I do feel sort of sorry for children who have never had the opportunity to experience faith.

Christianity is probably the biggest thing that has influenced my personality.

 

[greatnews]

merry Christmas everyone

 

[MehGuy]

It's not Christmas you liar.

 

[Victory of the Cross]

It's not Christmas you liar.

It is in Australia

 

[NateDaGrimes]

merry christmas eve? =P

 

[HawkBlue27]

Yeah...there's no sinner's prayers in the bible. It takes away from the real focus of the gospel, Jesus. The sinner's prayer makes people view salvation as not a work completed by Christ, but rather something that someone must "do" (repeating a prayer) in order to make their salvation valid. I doubted my salvation for months all because of that prayer.

 

[greatnews]

Yeah...there's no sinner's prayers in the bible. It takes away from the real focus of the gospel, Jesus. The sinner's prayer makes people view salvation as not a work completed by Christ, but rather something that someone must "do" (repeating a prayer) in order to make their salvation valid. I doubted my salvation for months all because of that prayer.

the sinners prayer is in the bible, it's a way of calling on the name of the Lord, and receiving salvation, you can find it in luke chapter 18, where the publican prayed at the temple, and Jesus said he walked away saved, also known as justified, so yes the sinners prayer is in the bible,

 

[greatnews]

Help me Jackie Chan.

yeah it's a inside joke on another thread, I dono if you would get it

 

[MacFall]

No; our justification and purification happens before we go to heaven. The angels did not undergo such a process.

Moreover, most of what Christians believe about the war in heaven and the ouster of some of the angels comes from non-canonical sources and even Medieval folklore, so I don't know whether I believe that any angels ever really were literally exiled from heaven. I don't think that the truth of an event that would have occurred in a world that is eternal, which means outside of time, can be accurately expressed in human language. To be accurate it isn't even proper to say that "an event" "occurred" in heaven at all, since those are terms delineating points on a timeline.

For that matter, even the idea of "going to heaven" is only a crudely euphemistic way of expressing a spiritual occurrence. We have our eternal existence now - that is, communion with God. We have no need to go there. After we die it will be different as our flesh will no longer get in the way, but it is faulty to say we will dwell in heaven. We will be in heaven (have uninhibited and uninterrupted communion with God), but we will dwell in a new created order with resurrected bodies. That's what I look forward to.

 

[HawkBlue27]

the sinners prayer is in the bible, it's a way of calling on the name of the Lord, and receiving salvation, you can find it in luke chapter 18, where the publican prayed at the temple, and Jesus said he walked away saved, also known as justified, so yes the sinners prayer is in the bible,

If someone does not say a "salvation prayer" but simply says they have come to trust and honor Christ, is such a person not saved?

 

[greatnews]

Can you kicked out of heaven after you die

one thing is we may not die on this earth, we will not all see death is what the bible says, but no we won't be kicked out of heaven for any reason, and we will actually judge the angels, we won't be turned into angels but we will be like them, but above them because we will judge them. also salvation is forever as said in Isaiah 51:6, and salvation is eternal as said in hebrews 5:9

 

[greatnews]

happy b day Jesus the Christ who came in the flesh

 

[greatnews]

If someone does not say a "salvation prayer" but simply says they have come to trust and honor Christ, is such a person not saved?

trust in him as what ? just trust that he existed?, no thats not enough, you have to make him Lord, and savior of your life personally, but a person can confess with their mouth Jesus is Lord, like romans 10:9 and believe and be saved , see with the mouth confession is made unto salvation, but you have to be repentant, and the sinners prayer is repentance, repentance is changing your mind from not believing to believing, but if someone is deaf or mute and can't talk they can still say the prayer in their mind and be saved , but a person who can talk is suppose to confess with their mouth,

 

[greatnews]

Yeah, I enjoy the Christian version of Christmas more anyways.

A savior being born is more interesting than hearing about a reindeer having bullying problems. Or a snowman who has to get to the north pole, so he doesn't melt to death.... well scratch that... that's kind of interesting.

If only my childhood had adventures like that. I forget what I was originally talking about.

yeah it's very interesting and a true story, only thing is the other stories you mentioned are just stories , they never happened. but yeah the story of Jesus is the greatest story ever told . I was a narrator at my church in the christmas cantata this year, so I got to tell the story